From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Apr 7 01:02:15 1998 Received: from root@svin03.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.153] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id BAA10629 (ESMTP). Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:02:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin03.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id BAA28361 (ESMTP). Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:02:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:35190 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51270-3660>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:01:31 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79598-22510>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:01:25 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" Subject: Gentle reminder regarding Round 92 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:02:32 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd61b0$14a8ff40$030101c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR I've got an easy wide open topic, Be the first to get your rule in. To repeat the theme, it's "Data in . . . ? . . . Data out " That is it, Have fun. Round starts at Tuesday , April 07, 1998, at 12:01 AM (00:01 Hours) Pacific Standard Time, or when I get the first rule. jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up. From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Apr 7 22:53:13 1998 Received: from root@svin10.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.127] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id WAA05695 (ESMTP). Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:53:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin10.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id WAA20508 (ESMTP). Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:53:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:23410 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51292-3659>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:52:31 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79598-19624>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:52:25 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" Subject: 92:1 accepted Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:53:30 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd6267$388907e0$030101c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR From: A.K.A. TheWiz Subject: 92:1 >> "Data in . . . ? . . . Data out " > >>>>>> > Each rule in this round must contain exactly one data string. A >data string is a line of text starting with "?!?: " (note the space) and >followed by up to 64 non-whitespace 7-bit printing ASCII characters (ie, >no accents, non-US currency symbols, etc). > Each rule in this round may contain descriptions of any quantity of >rigorously-specified and named transformations applicable to any data string. >No rule in this round may contain descriptions of ambibuous or unnamed >transformations on a data string, or of transformations not applicable to >all data strings. No rule in this round may contain a transformation >description which is in a lower-numbered valid rule of this round. > > Each valid rule in this round must expand the number of data strings >which can be obtained by a (possibly null) series of transformations >described in valid rules applied to a data string which has appeared in >a valid rule; the term 'nifty' shall be an adjective applicable to a >data string if and only if it is in this set. No valid rule in this round >may make all legitimate data strings (that is, those described as data strings >by the definition of data strings which is in rule 92:1) nifty. > Thus we have the last-rule concept with things that aren't rules. > > Excessive storytelling in this round is discouraged. > No rule in this round may complain about how formal it is. > >?!?: This_is_both_a_sample,_and_a_requirement. Accepted. Whew!!!! Excessive is a bit indefinate for my taste put Style +1 first rule -1.5 does too many things +.5 terse rules may improve participation +.5 interesting use of idea +.5 Total jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up. . From owner-frc@troll.no Wed Apr 8 16:57:55 1998 Received: from root@svin01.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.70] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id QAA29706 (ESMTP). Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id QAA18482 (ESMTP). Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:21000 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51306-3659>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:37 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79603-19627>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:25 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Jason Orendorff" , "Fantasy Rules Committee" Subject: Re: 92:2 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:54:19 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd62fe$3540db20$030101c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR -----Original Message----- From: Jason Orendorff To: Fantasy Rules Committee Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 4:46 PM Subject: 92:2 >> > "Data in . . . ? . . . Data out " > >Rule 92:2 : >>>>>> > >"Swapcasing" is the tranformation of toggling the case of each letter in a >data string. (For example, "?!?: E.g." may be transformed >to "?!?: e.G.".) > >?!?: foo > >Each rule in this round may contain zero or more formal descriptions of >"muggings", which are similar to the "transformations" defined in rule >92:1, and subject to the same restrictions. > >A deranged string is defined as a data string that can be obtained by >taking a nifty string and subjecting it to a sequence of one or more >muggings. > >No valid rule may cause any data string to be both nifty and deranged. >However, if a rule is invalid for this reason and only this reason, and >the Judge erroneously declares it valid, then the player who posted that >rule automatically wins the round! (Presumably, the Judge will try to >keep this from happening.) > >>>>>> > > Accepted. However. . . Many multiple muggings will make me extremely hostile. Style: New player +1 Multiple rules within a submission -1 Fast Turnaround +.5 Themeatic consistancy +.5 Total +1 >-- >jason jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up. From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Apr 14 16:43:49 1998 Received: from root@svis01.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.161] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id QAA18323 (ESMTP). Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id QAA18798 (ESMTP). Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:1916 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51366-3660>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:25 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79613-16093>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:19 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Jason Orendorff" , "Fantasy Rules Committee" Subject: 92.4 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd67b3$cf0d3c80$01c1c0c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR >Without further ado... > Does that make it a further adon't? >92:4 >>>>>> > >"Barnstorming" is the mugging of replacing each vowel in a data string >with an X, then removing the sixth character of the data string (if any), >then putting a ! at the end. (For example, "?!?: foo" may be mugged >with the derganged result "?!?: XX!") > >?!?: Zoorgandothram > >Each future rule in this round that defines a transformation must explain >how it is useful. > >>>>>> > >-- >jason > Accepted, For quite a bit I considered rejecting this one, The "?!?: " portion of the string used in the example had me puzzled. However re reading from 92.1 > Each rule in this round must contain exactly one data string. A >data string is a line of text starting with "?!?: " (note the space) and >followed by up to 64 non-whitespace 7-bit printing ASCII characters (ie, >no accents, non-US currency symbols, etc). I saw that the "?!?: " is a part of the string mentioned, or at least that is the way I see it Style: +1 Short -1.5 Not using the rule yourself -1 made me think +1 Made me Think From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Apr 14 16:43:50 1998 Received: from root@svis01.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.161] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id QAA18328 (ESMTP). Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id QAA18800 (ESMTP). Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:1916 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51367-3660>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:26 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79614-16093>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:43:18 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" , "Charles E. Carroll" Subject: Re: 92:5 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:39:29 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd67b3$214f6460$01c1c0c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Rule 92:5 > >?!?: Normalization > >A transformation is defined as "destructive" if and only if >there exists at least one data string such that when the >transformation is applied to it, the result is not a data string. > >For example, the transformation "Length" gives the >number of characters in a data string, expressed in >the usual decimal integer format; Length is therefore a >destructive transformation. Length is useful for >generating numeric strings in the range 5-69. > >For every destructive transformation defined in a valid Rule, there >is an associated non-destructive transformation called "Normal-X" >with "X" replaced by the name of the destructive transformation. >The effect of Normal-X on a data string is determined by >applying the following steps, in order: > 1. The transformation X is applied to the data string. > 2. If the resulting string does not begin with "?!?: ", > "?!?: " is prepended to the string. > 3. Any character in the string which is not a 7-bit printing ASCII > character is deleted from the string. > 4. Any whitespace character in the string, except for the 5th > character in the string, is deleted from the string. > 5. If the string is now longer than 69 characters, it is > truncated to the first 69 characters. > >For example, the transformation Normal-Length applied to the >data string in this Rule results in the data string "?!?: 18" > >The Normal-X class of transformations is useful for generating data >strings from transformations which might not otherwise result in >data strings. > >Every future Rule which defines one or more destructive transformations >must clearly indicate that those transformations are destructive. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Chuck > Rejected No String per Rule 92.1 jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up. From owner-frc@troll.no Wed Apr 15 05:19:05 1998 Received: from root@svin08.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.71] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id FAA08349 (ESMTP). Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:19:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin08.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id FAA07571 (ESMTP). Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:19:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:16480 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51371-11731>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:18:50 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79620-16092>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:18:44 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" , "Charles E. Carroll" Subject: Re: 92:5 I am an idiot Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:18:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd681d$325c6c20$01c1c0c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR -----Original Message----- From: Charles E. Carroll To: Fantasy Rules Committee Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 5:59 PM Subject: Re: 92:5 (Yet another proposal) >johnl wrote: >> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Rule 92:5 >>> >>>?!?: Normalization > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And just what is this? Chopped liver? > >>Rejected No String per Rule 92.1 > >Sigh. I propose to change 92:5 to VALID. I vote FOR this >change. > >Also, you're supposed to give style awards to INVALID as well >as VALID rules. > >Chuck John-Martin Lotz is an idiot. I can't believe I did that. Sigh!!!! Accepted Style: +1 I am an idiot, causing problems for everyone -1 Long +.5 fits style jml jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up. From owner-frc@troll.no Mon Apr 20 08:59:17 1998 Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id IAA10738 (ESMTP). Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:59:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:21014 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51345-11730>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:59:01 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79663-16094>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:53 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc X-Authentication-Warning: odin.cbu.edu: jorendor owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:58:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Orendorff Reply-To: Jason Orendorff To: Fantasy Rules Committee Subject: 92:6 (pong) In-Reply-To: <199804132232.AA17448@dfw.dfw.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I'm here, just spending all my time trying to pare down my next rule. 92:6 >>>>> ?!?: future-rules-in-this-round-must-contain-the-word-"fnord" The destructive transformation of n-d-illuminating is defined for whole number values of n between 1 and 64, inclusive, and fnord words d. The effect of n-d-illuminating a data-string is defined thus: - If the data string has fewer than (n+5) characters, it is transformed to "?!?: foo". - Otherwise, if the point in the data string between the (n+4)th character and the (n+5)th character is not a shady point, then the data string is transformed to "?!?: ~~foo". - Otherwise, the data string is transformed by inserting the fnord word d between the (n+4)th and the (n+5)th character in the data string. This class of transformation is useful for discovering hidden truths. Nothing is a fnord word unless the rules say it is. A point isn't shady unless the rules say it is. But ~~ is a fnord word, and any point in a string just before an f or F is a shady point. So, for example, "?!?: fabble" may be 1-~~-illuminated to "?!?: ~~fabble" (or Normal-1-~~-illuminated with the same result.) Future rules in this round must, indeed, contain the word "fnord". >>>>> -- jason From owner-frc@troll.no Mon Apr 20 23:52:02 1998 Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id XAA17574 (ESMTP). Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:52:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:368 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51407-11730>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:51:48 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79676-16091>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:51:35 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <199804202146.AA09903@dfw.dfw.net> Subject: 92:7 To: frc@troll.no (Fantasy Rules Committee) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:46:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charles E. Carroll" Content-Type: text Status: OR You don't leave me much time to get 92:7 in, do you, Jason? Anyway, here it is: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rule 92:7 ?!?: Metastasis_and_Reflexivity The destructive transformation known as "Metastasis" has the following effect: * If the data string does not contain any fnord words within it, the string "~~f", which is also a fnord word, is appended to the data string. * If the data string contains at least one fnord word within it, the first fnord word appearing within the data string is appended to the data string. The "first fnord word appearing" within a data string is defined to be the one which begins first within the string; if more than one fnord word is tied for this distinction, the shortest of those is the one first appearing. For example, when Metastasis is applied to "?!?: ~~foo", the result is "?!?: ~~foo~~" and not "?!?: ~~foo~~f". Metastasis is useful for generating longer data strings. A transformation is defined as "reflexive" if and only if there exists at least one data string such that, when the transformation is applied to it, the result is the same data string as the original. For example, Normal-Length is reflexive, as the result of Normal-Length applied to "?!?: 6" is "?!?: 6". Normal-Metastasis is also reflexive, as any data string of 69 characters is left unchanged by Normal-Metastasis. Metastasis, however, is non-reflexive, as every data string is altered by Metastasis. For every transformation defined in a future Rule, * If the transformation is non-destructive, the Rule must clearly indicate whether or not the transformation is reflexive. * If the transformation is destructive, the Rule must clearly indicate whether or not the associated Normal-X transformation is reflexive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Apr 21 00:23:40 1998 Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id AAA17732 (ESMTP). Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:21616 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51408-11731>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:23:24 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79676-16093>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:23:15 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Jason Orendorff" , "Fantasy Rules Committee" Subject: 92:6 Accepted Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:20:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd6caa$7d5b0880$01c1c0c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR 92:6 >>>>> ?!?: future-rules-in-this-round-must-contain-the-word-"fnord" The destructive transformation of n-d-illuminating is defined for whole number values of n between 1 and 64, inclusive, and fnord words d. The effect of n-d-illuminating a data-string is defined thus: - If the data string has fewer than (n+5) characters, it is transformed to "?!?: foo". - Otherwise, if the point in the data string between the (n+4)th character and the (n+5)th character is not a shady point, then the data string is transformed to "?!?: ~~foo". - Otherwise, the data string is transformed by inserting the fnord word d between the (n+4)th and the (n+5)th character in the data string. This class of transformation is useful for discovering hidden truths. Nothing is a fnord word unless the rules say it is. A point isn't shady unless the rules say it is. But ~~ is a fnord word, and any point in a string just before an f or F is a shady point. So, for example, "?!?: fabble" may be 1-~~-illuminated to "?!?: ~~fabble" (or Normal-1-~~-illuminated with the same result.) Future rules in this round must, indeed, contain the word "fnord". >>>>> -- jason Accepted Style + .5 Follow theme well -1 My head is starting to hurt +.5 provided examples jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up. From owner-frc@troll.no Wed Apr 22 05:36:24 1998 Received: from root@svin07.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.232] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id FAA00221 (ESMTP). Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:36:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svin07.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id FAA25597 (ESMTP). Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:36:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:31508 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51416-11730>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:36:09 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79684-16092>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:35:58 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" , "Charles E. Carroll" Subject: 92:7 Accepted Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:36:33 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd6d9f$d8563d40$01c1c0c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR Sorry about the delay Rule 92:7 ?!?: Metastasis_and_Reflexivity The destructive transformation known as "Metastasis" has the following effect: * If the data string does not contain any fnord words within it, the string "~~f", which is also a fnord word, is appended to the data string. * If the data string contains at least one fnord word within it, the first fnord word appearing within the data string is appended to the data string. The "first fnord word appearing" within a data string is defined to be the one which begins first within the string; if more than one fnord word is tied for this distinction, the shortest of those is the one first appearing. For example, when Metastasis is applied to "?!?: ~~foo", the result is "?!?: ~~foo~~" and not "?!?: ~~foo~~f". Metastasis is useful for generating longer data strings. A transformation is defined as "reflexive" if and only if there exists at least one data string such that, when the transformation is applied to it, the result is the same data string as the original. For example, Normal-Length is reflexive, as the result of Normal-Length applied to "?!?: 6" is "?!?: 6". Normal-Metastasis is also reflexive, as any data string of 69 characters is left unchanged by Normal-Metastasis. Metastasis, however, is non-reflexive, as every data string is altered by Metastasis. For every transformation defined in a future Rule, * If the transformation is non-destructive, the Rule must clearly indicate whether or not the transformation is reflexive. * If the transformation is destructive, the Rule must clearly indicate whether or not the associated Normal-X transformation is reflexive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck I came within a hair of rejecting it, when I read and reread . . . For example, Normal-Length is reflexive, as the result of Normal-Length applied to "?!?: 6" is "?!?: 6". Normal-Metastasis is also reflexive, as any data string of 69 characters is left unchanged by Normal-Metastasis. Metastasis, however, is non-reflexive, as every data string is altered by Metastasis. The 69 bothered me as the nmber 64 stuck in my mind from rule 1 It reads Each rule in this round must contain exactly one data string. A data string is a line of text starting with "?!?:" (note the space) and followed by up to 64 non-whitespace 7-bit printing ASCII characters (ie, no accents, non-US currency symbols, etc). I had temporarily forgotten the "followed by" Ah well Accepted Style points +1 made me think +.5 nice rule jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up. From owner-frc@troll.no Sun May 10 23:42:32 1998 Received: from root@svtt01.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.80] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id XAA18578 (ESMTP). Sun, 10 May 1998 23:42:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bahamas.troll.no [195.0.254.69] by svtt01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id XAA27386 (ESMTP). Sun, 10 May 1998 23:42:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]:11040 "EHLO lupinella.troll.no" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED") by bahamas.troll.no with ESMTP id <51632-30026>; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:42:13 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79885-16091>; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:42:04 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc From: "johnl" To: "Doug Chatham" , Subject: Re: Helloooo? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd7c5c$770fc6c0$01c1c0c0@seymour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Status: OR -----Original Message----- From: Doug Chatham To: frc@troll.no Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 2:31 PM Subject: Helloooo? Is anyone out there? I suggest that for our next round, we have the theme "Friends,Romans,Countrymen" :-) pong Here, I sent out a couple of hails but no one responded. 92 is over Charles Carroll won It lasted 7 rules and a fair amount of confusion jml Even if you can't run from your problems, getting a good head start means that at least they'll be tired by the time they catch up.