From owner-frc@trolltech.com Fri Jul 14 22:23:24 2000 Received: from lupinella.troll.no [195.0.254.19] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id WAA27146 (ESMTP). Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:23:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by trolltech.com id ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:23:06 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@trolltech.com Precedence: list X-Loop: frc Message-ID: <396F76FE.9342E326@rhythm.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:24:30 -0700 From: Nicholson Neisler X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FRC Subject: Near End Round 141 Summary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D1D638EDFA8EAB35C23E009D" Status: RO --------------D1D638EDFA8EAB35C23E009D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RULES: Judgement 141:1 VALID +1 style - Andre Engels - Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:10:23 GMT Judgement 141:2 (was 141:1) Unsuccessful - Aron Wall - Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:12:03 GMT Judgement 141:3 VALID style +2 - Christian R. Leonhard - Rule Date: 2000-07-08 03:17:06 GMT Judgement 141:4 VALID style +2 - Jared Sunshine - Rule Date: 2000-07-09 17:01:54 GMT ELIGIBILITY: Jared Sunshine - 2000-07-16 17:01:54 GMT Christian R. Leonhard - 2000-07-15 03:17:06 GMT Everyone Else - Expired > From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) > > Andre Engels wrote: > > > Each Rule should contain a FRConian proverb, and each rule after this one > > should contain a short explanation of the meaning of the last rule's proverb, > > and a restriction based on it. > > > > "The lion's second growl does not scare the savannah." > > > -- > Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:10:23 GMT Judgement: VALID style +1 This rule is consistent with itself. -Judge Neisler -- Rule Date: 2000-07-08 01:00:13 GMT Aron Wall wrote: > 141:2 > >>>>> > "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread," so I gladly post the first > rule: > > "There is nothing new under the sun," so all rules must be based on > proverbs in existance before the beginning of the round, lest we think > we are being innovative. If any part of a rule is not obviously > supported by a proverb, the rule shall be INVALID. > >>>>> > > Aron Wall > > -- > Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:12:03 GMT Judgement: Unsuccessful style +1 This rule was submitted just after Andre's rule. It is inconsistent with that rule as I do not see how it explains "The lion's second growl does not scare the savannah." It is an interesting rule none the less and hopefully Aron will resubmit. -Judge Neisler -- Rule Date: 2000-07-08 01:03:24 GMT "Christian R. Leonhard" wrote: > 141:3 > >>>>> > The wise man understands that proverbs, like the lion's roar, make their > intent manifest in the moment of their first expression. What purpose can > then be served by repetition? > > This is of course why no proverb appears in more than one of our rules. For > is it not said that, "vicious as a tigress can be, she never eats her own > cubs?" > <<<<< > -- > Rule Date: 2000-07-08 03:17:06 GMT Judgement VALID - style +2 This rulecontains a FRConian proverb. It contain a short explanation of the meaning of the last rule's proverb and a restriction based on it. I think this rule continues to set up the proverb restriction structure. -Judge Neisler -- Rule Date: 2000-07-08 19:35:36 GMT Jared Sunshine wrote: > ------ BEGIN 141:4 ------ > IN WHICH CUCUMBER SANDWICHES ARE CONSUMED IN GREAT QUANTITY, THE EATING > HABITS OF TIGERS IS DISCUSSED WITH GREAT GRAVITY AMONG ALL, AND VIOLENCE IN > THE MEDIA IS CONDEMNED. > > It was teatime once more (it does come about once per day, after all), and I > was sitting under the protection of a parasol delightfully fringed with > white lace in the company of my dear niece Alice DuMonte. > > "My dear Robert," she said after a time, for she always called me by my > middle name...she was a darling child, and I had always indulged her. "I am > singularly perplexed by something, and I cannot seem to rid my mind of it or > solve its puzzle." > > "And what is that, Alice?" I asked happily, helping myself to another of the > perfectly delicious cucumber sandwiches my inestimable sister Harriet > DuMonte (nee Calais, of course) had prepared for our enjoyment. > > "I heard one of my friends say the other day the most horrible thing about a > tigress not eating her cubs. It is a most horrid thought, eating her own > cubs, and I am very glad to hear she does not. But does this mean she eats > /others'/ cubs? Or eats her husband-tiger or parent-tigers? It is most > disturbing." > > I almost laughed at my dear niece's distress at the harmless proverb, but I > kept my face straight to preserve the solemnity with which she clearly > viewed her discovery of the tigress's habits. > > "My dear," I said. "You mustn't worry yourself over such things. It's just > a proverb, a metaphor to illustrate a point. You have learned about > metaphors in school, have you not?" > > "Indeed, Robert," said Alice, her voice still deadly-serious. "But you have > yet to explain what such a gory metaphor illustrates. Surely the message > could have found a more savory medium to transport it." > > "It merely means that something--and certainly not necessarily tigers, for > this is but a metaphor--does not destroy its own products. Just as the > tiger even when hungry does not consume her babes, so too do other > things--be they people or rocks--not consume that which has sprung from > them." > > "Oh, but that is a hopelessly complicated message," cried Alice in distress. > "I shall never hope to understand it; even with your most eloquent > teachings, I fear I shall be a futile task." > > I felt genuine concern for dear Alice and her consternation at not > understanding the proverb. At least she now understood it did not truly > mean to discuss the eating habits of tigers, though. > > "'Only the foolish speak of what their audience will not accept.' You > understand that one, do you not?" > > "Indeed, Robert, and I think it most apt to this situation," she said, > brightening to know that Some Renowned Person had found himself in a similar > problem before. > > "I could not agree more," I said, happy at having assuaged her distemper. > "And we shall suffer no foolish people in the world. In the future, the > world shall see no more proverbs involving blood, violence, or anything > likely to offend the sensibilities of gentle young lady such as yourself." > > "Oh, Robert," she cried, finally laughing. "If only you could do such a > thing! But you cannot presume to dictate to others what proverbs they shall > use. Even you," she said finally, after a pause. I am now and was then, > after all, a man of no small influence, and she sometimes imagined that I > could do anything. Not this time, I supposed. > > "Well, even if the whole world does not listen, at least some will," I said, > "Because they must. Trust, my dear Alice, trust. They will follow." Alice > smiled. > > And indeed they did. > > -- From the Journal of Francis Robert Calais > ------- END 141:4 ------- > > Rule Date: 2000-07-09 17:01:54 GMT Judgement: VALID style +2 Contains a FRConian proverb. Contain a short (well pretty much short) explanation of the meaning of the last rule's proverb. Contains a restriction based on the explanation. No repetition of proverbs. Style: Entertaining +2 -- Rule Date: 2000-07-10 23:26:25 GMT --------------D1D638EDFA8EAB35C23E009D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RULES:

Judgement 141:1 VALID +1 style - Andre Engels -
    Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:10:23 GMT
Judgement 141:2 (was 141:1) Unsuccessful - Aron Wall -
    Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:12:03 GMT
Judgement 141:3 VALID style +2 - Christian R. Leonhard -
    Rule Date: 2000-07-08 03:17:06 GMT
Judgement 141:4 VALID style +2 - Jared Sunshine -
    Rule Date: 2000-07-09 17:01:54 GMT

ELIGIBILITY:
 

Jared Sunshine - 2000-07-16 17:01:54 GMT
Christian R. Leonhard - 2000-07-15 03:17:06 GMT
Everyone Else - Expired
 
 

> From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels)
>
> Andre Engels wrote:
>
> > Each Rule should contain a FRConian proverb, and each rule after this one
> > should contain a short explanation of the meaning of the last rule's proverb,
> > and a restriction based on it.
> >
> > "The lion's second growl does not scare the savannah."
> >
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:10:23 GMT

Judgement: VALID    style +1

This rule is consistent with itself.

-Judge Neisler

--
Rule Date: 2000-07-08 01:00:13 GMT
 

Aron Wall wrote:

> 141:2
> >>>>>
> "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread," so I gladly post the first
> rule:
>
> "There is nothing new under the sun," so all rules must be based on
> proverbs in existance before the beginning of the round, lest we think
> we are being innovative.  If any part of a rule is not obviously
> supported by a proverb, the rule shall be INVALID.
> >>>>>
>
> Aron Wall
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-07-07 19:12:03 GMT

Judgement:  Unsuccessful  style +1

This rule was submitted just after Andre's rule.  It is inconsistent with
that rule as I do not see how it explains "The lion's second growl does
not scare the savannah."  It is an interesting rule none the less and
hopefully Aron will resubmit.

-Judge Neisler

--
Rule Date: 2000-07-08 01:03:24 GMT
 

"Christian R. Leonhard" wrote:

> 141:3
> >>>>>
> The wise man understands that proverbs, like the lion's roar, make their
> intent manifest in the moment of their first expression. What purpose can
> then be served by repetition?
>
> This is of course why no proverb appears in more than one of our rules. For
> is it not said that, "vicious as a tigress can be, she never eats her own
> cubs?"
> <<<<<
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-07-08 03:17:06 GMT

Judgement VALID - style +2

This rulecontains a FRConian proverb.  It contain a short explanation of the
meaning of the last rule's proverb and a restriction based on it.

I think this rule continues to set up the proverb restriction structure.

-Judge Neisler

--
Rule Date: 2000-07-08 19:35:36 GMT
 

Jared Sunshine wrote:

> ------ BEGIN 141:4 ------
> IN WHICH CUCUMBER SANDWICHES ARE CONSUMED IN GREAT QUANTITY, THE EATING
> HABITS OF TIGERS IS DISCUSSED WITH GREAT GRAVITY AMONG ALL, AND VIOLENCE IN
> THE MEDIA IS CONDEMNED.
>
> It was teatime once more (it does come about once per day, after all), and I
> was sitting under the protection of a parasol delightfully fringed with
> white lace in the company of my dear niece Alice DuMonte.
>
> "My dear Robert," she said after a time, for she always called me by my
> middle name...she was a darling child, and I had always indulged her.  "I am
> singularly perplexed by something, and I cannot seem to rid my mind of it or
> solve its puzzle."
>
> "And what is that, Alice?" I asked happily, helping myself to another of the
> perfectly delicious cucumber sandwiches my inestimable sister Harriet
> DuMonte (nee Calais, of course) had prepared for our enjoyment.
>
> "I heard one of my friends say the other day the most horrible thing about a
> tigress not eating her cubs.  It is a most horrid thought, eating her own
> cubs, and I am very glad to hear she does not.  But does this mean she eats
> /others'/ cubs?  Or eats her husband-tiger or parent-tigers?  It is most
> disturbing."
>
> I almost laughed at my dear niece's distress at the harmless proverb, but I
> kept my face straight to preserve the solemnity with which she clearly
> viewed her discovery of the tigress's habits.
>
> "My dear," I said.  "You mustn't worry yourself over such things.  It's just
> a proverb, a metaphor to illustrate a point.  You have learned about
> metaphors in school, have you not?"
>
> "Indeed, Robert," said Alice, her voice still deadly-serious.  "But you have
> yet to explain what such a gory metaphor illustrates.  Surely the message
> could have found a more savory medium to transport it."
>
> "It merely means that something--and certainly not necessarily tigers, for
> this is but a metaphor--does not destroy its own products.  Just as the
> tiger even when hungry does not consume her babes, so too do other
> things--be they people or rocks--not consume that which has sprung from
> them."
>
> "Oh, but that is a hopelessly complicated message," cried Alice in distress.
> "I shall never hope to understand it; even with your most eloquent
> teachings, I fear I shall be a futile task."
>
> I felt genuine concern for dear Alice and her consternation at not
> understanding the proverb.  At least she now understood it did not truly
> mean to discuss the eating habits of tigers, though.
>
> "'Only the foolish speak of what their audience will not accept.'  You
> understand that one, do you not?"
>
> "Indeed, Robert, and I think it most apt to this situation," she said,
> brightening to know that Some Renowned Person had found himself in a similar
> problem before.
>
> "I could not agree more," I said, happy at having assuaged her distemper.
> "And we shall suffer no foolish people in the world.  In the future, the
> world shall see no more proverbs involving blood, violence, or anything
> likely to offend the sensibilities of gentle young lady such as yourself."
>
> "Oh, Robert," she cried, finally laughing.  "If only you could do such a
> thing!  But you cannot presume to dictate to others what proverbs they shall
> use.  Even you," she said finally, after a pause.  I am now and was then,
> after all, a man of no small influence, and she sometimes imagined that I
> could do anything.  Not this time, I supposed.
>
> "Well, even if the whole world does not listen, at least some will," I said,
> "Because they must.  Trust, my dear Alice, trust.  They will follow."  Alice
> smiled.
>
> And indeed they did.
>
>                                -- From the Journal of Francis Robert Calais
> ------- END 141:4 -------
>
> Rule Date: 2000-07-09 17:01:54 GMT

Judgement:  VALID style +2

Contains a FRConian proverb.
Contain a short (well pretty much short) explanation of the meaning of the last
rule's proverb.
Contains a restriction based on the explanation.
No repetition of proverbs.

Style:  Entertaining +2

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Rule Date: 2000-07-10 23:26:25 GMT
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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