Nicholson Neisler wrote: > Is the round over? Do we have a winner? > > -Nick > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-27 06:03:27 GMT I think so. Jeremy Selengut is the new Judge; Jesse Welton is the Wizard. This round had 11 rules, all were VALID. The complete summary was already posted as 124 Summary 1-11. Aron Wall -- Rule Date: 1999-10-27 15:50:28 GMT PLAYER ELIGIBILITY/STYLE John Goodman 1999-10-25 18:55:17 GMT +1 Ronald Kunne 1999-10-22 15:24:26 GMT 0 Jesse Welton 1999-10-25 17:44:34 GMT +5 Richard Wein 1999-10-22 16:21:56 GMT +1 Karl Low 1999-10-23 05:00:03 GMT +1 Jeremy Selengut 1999-10-25 21:12:02 GMT +1 * Ed Murphy 1999-10-23 03:49:49 GMT +1 Still 100% validity. John M Goodman II wrote: > Begin Rule>>> > > Oooommmm... > > Listen, children. > True wisdom can be found in the stars. We, the players, each have a sign. > In each rule, we must tell our fellow players what the stars have taught > us about one of these signs. > > The alignment of the moons of Jupiter have shown me that all Taurus are > bull headed, and will never admit they are wrong. > > I must meditate now. Study the stars. > > << > -John Goodman, who is one with the universe > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-15 15:08:39 GMT VALID. Well, I'll make you one with 1 style point. > > Subject: > 124:2 > Date: > Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:23:55 +0200 (MET DST) > From: > Ronald Kunne > To: > frc > > >>>>> > All players have different signs. > > According to the stars the owner of > the Frisbee will submit the seventh > Rule, which will be his or her first > Rule this Round. > >>>>> > > Ronald > > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-15 15:24:26 GMT I will interpret it as being the seventh Valid rule. I will also allow you the benefit of the doubt by not taking this rule to imply that there actually will be seven Valid rules. So VALID. Note, this does not mean there must be at least seven different players for the round to continue past that point, since there could be rules before the seventh with the same author. I'm not too happy about the round maybe dying on the seventh rule, but it may encourage another player to play-- so I'll even it out with 0. > > Subject: > 124:3 > Date: > Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:06:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: > Jesse Welton > To: > frc@troll.no (Fantasy Rules Committee List) > > >>> > No one has more than one sign. No one's sign can change. Players may > be referred to by their sign. At no time may the number of signs > named in all valid rules exceed the number of FRC members who have > posted valid rules. > > The constellation Puppies has taught me that the Dog is the only sign > that chases the Frisbee. (To "chase" a sign is to state a restriction > on that sign's behavior in a rule other than that which throws the > sign. To "throw" a sign is to use its name for the first time.) > >>> > > -Jesse > > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-15 16:06:20 GMT So let's see. We have the Dog, the Frisbee, and Taurus. That's not too many. About chasing the Frisbee. I'm going to rule that restrictions that affect everyone don't count as chasing. It will only count if it singles out the sign. Therefore no one has chased the Frisbee yet. VALID. I like this rule. It closes some loopholes, and it lays some traps. And it has a certain charm. So I give it +2 Style. > > Subject: > > 124:3 > (Now 124:4) > Date: > Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:24:18 +0100 > From: > "Richard Wein" > To: > "frc" > > Each sign begins with a different letter of the alphabet. (Oops, no > more > than 26 players!) > > The sign of the Bee is the mark of literacy. A Bee cannot make a > spelling > misteak, say the stars. > > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-15 16:21:56 GMT OK. Well you aren't the bee. VALID. Deliberate spelling misteaks are old, and this doesn't actually restrict rules much. But you do get +1 for humor. > > Subject: > 124:2 > Date: > Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:30:15 -0600 > From: > "gurugreat" > To: > > > ----- Begin 124:2 ----- > Uh.. yeah, whatever. > > So like I was saying, Jesse Ventura was on Larry King, and I called in > but I > couldn't decide whether I supported him or not, and he told me that I > must > be a Libra, since they can never make up their minds either. > > Still, I think that people really prefer to use astrology for > prediction. > In fact, I predict that each rule after this one will have a prediction > in > it. > > ----- End 124:2 ---- > VALID. The pun on "stars" is somewhat amusing, but the restriction is rather mundane. I'll give you 0 points for it. > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-15 16:29:18 GMT > > Subject: > 124:6 > Date: > Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:52:58 -0400 > From: > "Jeremy D. Selengut" > To: > frc@troll.no (fantasy rules committee) > > ****** > > This is what the stars (Star Wars and Star Trek, of course...) have > taught > me; the sign of the Other, once known to be a particular player, must > incorporate some novel (not found in the valid rule set at the time) > aspect > of an INVALID rule (if there are any) into each of his rules. > > Now and hereafter, the text (i.e. not merely the existence, timing, > order, > validity, style award or number) of a rule may not cause a sign to be > unambiguously associated with its author, if that association was not > previously unambiguous. > > Each sign is associated with one and only one unique "Cosmic Power". > These > Cosmic Powers are clearly and obviously advantageous to the associated > players towards winning this round. No one may use their associated > Cosmic > Power until they have been unambiguously associated with a sign and > another > player has defined that sign's Cosmic Power (after which time it cannot > be > altered). > > I predict that either, rule 124:5 will be judged VALID or someone else > will > require rules to contain predictions. > > ****** > > -Jeremy > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-15 20:53:31 GMT > I think this rule is a round-killer. It would make it impossible to associate any more players with signs, and thus end the round now (due to rule 7). Even if an excuse can be found for getting past that, it would still severly hamper the rest of the round, and make the stuff about Cosmic Powers only applicable to the few signs that have already been associated with them. Worse, this rule is unmistakably VALID. I therefore give -3 to it. Jeremy, if you have a different interpretation of this rule that keeps the round alive, I would be happy to use it and give you a less severe penalty. Perhaps when you typed "not merely" you meant "not including"? It makes a world of difference. If you had put the latter, it would have allowed the things in parenthesis to be a method of determining the ownership of the signs. As it is, the purpose of it confuses me. How could any one who sees the phrase "text of a rule" think "Oh, he only means the timing, style etc."? Judge Aron (See the judgement of the next rule; I changed my Style Judgement and interpretation of 124:6) Ed Murphy wrote: > ----- begin rule 124:7 ----- > > I have been blinded by the starlight reflected from the Stop > Sign! I predict, however, that this will prove only temporary. > > ------ end rule 124:7 ------ > > -- -- Rule Date: 1999-10-18 16:57:45 GMT Okay. Let's just interpret 124:6 to mean that all the stuff that was in the parenthesis *are* allowed to give signs away. I then can declare this VALID, presuming that your prediction comes from "the stars". I suppose blindness of reflections might be considered knowlege about the sign. I'll give this +1 Style. And I'll change Jeremy's -3 to a -1, now that I've got an interpretation that doesn't blow the round away. Subject: Re: 124:8 VALID +1 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:37:18 -0700 From: Aron Wall To: frc@troll.no References: 1 gurugreat wrote: > Begin 124:8 ----- > The stars have taught me that the sign with the Cosmic Power of Befuddlement > allows its owner to not fulfill any prediction they wish to avoid. All other > players are bound by any and all predictions made, until they have been > fulfilled. > > Ed being taught about blindess from reflected starlight reminds me about > travelling on the highway and seeing a deer. In order to ensure that no > animals are similarly blinded, I predict that animal signs do not make posts > adjacent (with a rule number one higher or lower) than the Stop sign. > ----- End 124:8 -- Rule Date: 1999-10-16 05:00:03 GMT VALID. Makes predictions more potent, and in an interesting way too. The Power is certainly a strong advantage. The prediction can be inportant later. Since we do not know who the Stop Sign is yet associated with, it does not do much yet. +1 Style. Subject: 124:9 Judgement VALID +3 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:03:59 -0700 From: Aron Wall To: frc@troll.no References: 1 Jesse Welton wrote: > >>> > Henceforward, there must always be at least one consistent one-to-one > relationship possible between the named signs and the members who have > submitted valid rules. > > I predict that the Stop Sign will turn out to be the first player who > becomes ineligible, for whom it is consistent with all valid rules to > that point that e is the Stop Sign. > > Each sign is associated with one of the four elements of creation, of > which one is Animal. The stars have tought me that Dog and Bee are > the only two animal signs named so far. > >>> > > -Jesse > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-18 17:44:34 GMT Let's see. So far we have Taurus, Dog, Frisbee, Bee, Libra, and the Stop Sign. Oh wait, and the Other too. 7, to go with 7 players. Finding a consistent match is not at all hard right now, so VALID. Note: Taurus is a bull, but perhaps bulls represent some other element even better. (?) Assigns all signs to players, makes the round more interesting, and I can hardly wait to find out what the other three elements are. I give it +3. Subject: 124:10 Judgement VALID -1 Style Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:44:04 -0700 From: Aron Wall To: frc@troll.no References: 1 John M Goodman II wrote: > Being Rule>>>>> > > Ooommmmm... > > Hey! The Big Dipper just dropped a load of water on me... remind me not > to meditate on *THOSE* stars again. > > But, in my soaked state, I again have been enlightened. The second > element of creation is the Highway System, which includes the Taurus and > Stop signs. > > I predict that the next two valid rules will tell us of the other two > elements of creation. > > <<<< > -John M. Goodman II, who hopes we have another player join us so he can > create a REAL sign (I'm not a Ford Lover) > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-18 18:55:17 GMT VALID. I'm pretty sure the players would have probably followed the prediction anyway. Besides, as it is a prediction, we can't even be sure it will be followed. And why is Taurus part of the Highway System? That's not bad in and of itself, but it would be nice to know why. So -1 Style, I think. LATER: I just got an email telling me that the Ford Taurus is a car. I therefore give 124:10 its style point back (that is, I give it 0 Style). Subject: 124:11 Judgement INVALID +2 Style Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:52:05 -0700 From: Aron Wall To: frc@troll.no References: 1 "Jeremy D. Selengut" wrote: > *****124:11***** > > One of the Cosmic Powers is Invisibility, no one may chase the sign > wielding this power. > > The star(r)s (Ringo and Ken) have pointed out to me in a psychedelic dream > that since, in cyber-space no one knows you are a dog, the Dog must have > the Cosmic Power of Invisibility. > > Unfortunately, they have also told me that the Dog's next post will be INVALID. > > I predict that I will be shown to be either the Other or the Stop sign. > > The third Element of Creation is the Device. Presently, only the Frisbee > and Libra represent this class of sign. > > I would say that the fourth Element of Creation is Phlogiston, if it > weren't for the fact that I know I am mistaken... > > *****End Rule***** > > -Jeremy > > -- > Rule Date: 1999-10-18 21:12:02 GMT Unfortunately you just chased the Dog since you put a restriction (and a harsh one too) on the Dog's next rule. Therefore this rule is INVALID. However, you do get +2 style, one for humor and one because I misread your last rule. The Judge LATER: Whoops! That was a brain-o. It's the Frisbee that can't be chased. Hmmm. Okay. VALID it is. We're back to 100% Validity again. The Rejudge. *** Judge Aron -- Rule Date: 1999-10-20 01:08:07 GMT