From owner-frc@troll.no Mon Aug 30 04:06:28 1999 Received: from root@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id EAA21474 (ESMTP). Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:06:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no [195.0.254.19] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id EAA08640 (ESMTP). Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:06:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by troll.no id ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:05:57 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no Precedence: list X-Loop: frc Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:34:38 -0400 To: frc From: Towsner Subject: Summary Status: RO My apologies for the delay. Round 119, started at Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:43:47 Summary by Rule: 119:1--Aron Wall--VALID--+1--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:27:29--1 119:2--Jonathon Fry--INVALID--+2--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:48:27 119:3--Doug Chatham--VALID--+0--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:54:34--2 119:4--Aron Wall--VALID-- -1--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:00:43--3 119:5--Nicholson Neisler--INVALID--1--Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:25:19 119:6--Aron Wall--INVALID--0--Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:13:34 119:7--Ed Murphy--INVALID--1.5--Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:52:21 119:8--Nicholson Neisler--VALID- -0.5--Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:06:01-4 119:9--Doug Chatham--INVALID--1--Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:18:45 119:10--Aron Wall--VALID--1--Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:11:39 Summary by player: Name Style: Aron Wall 0 Jonathon Fry 3 Doug Chatham 1 Nicholson Neisler 0.5 Ed Murphy 1.5 119:1--Aron Wall--VALID--+1--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:27:29--1 One of the most important features of a mediocre rule is its medium restrictiveness. For the purposes of this rule a rule is medium restrictive if it is garenteed to restrict exactly half of all the valid rules in the round whenever there are an even number of valid rules. All rules save this one must be medium restrictive [Note how I fail to apply the restriction to my own rule in an attempt to get a mediocre style award]. Judgement: And indeed you shall. VALID, +1 style, for setting a good example. 119:2--Jonathon Fry--INVALID--+2--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:48:27 While even-numbered rules must, by earlier designation, be mediocre, odd-numbered rules are by no means mediocre. Instead, odd-numbered rules must give themselves a unique restriction and, by doing so, escape all charges of mediocrity. Judgement: Bad news and more bad news, I'm afraid. This rule places restrictions on all rules, and is INVALID by 119:1. It's a great restriction though, so you're stuck with +2 style. 119:3--Doug Chatham--VALID--+0--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:54:34--2 For each positive integer n, the 2n_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its first sentence. Judgement: I don't see anything wrong with this. +0 style though, since it's not a particularly interesting restriction and I don't relish the idea of seeing that sentence every other rule. 119:4--Aron Wall--VALID-- -1--Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:00:43--3 For n= a positive integer or one-and-a-half, the 2n+1_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its last sentence. Judgement: VALID, -1 style for being repetitive. 119:5--Nicholson Neisler--INVALID--1--Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:25:19 For each positive integer n, the 2n_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its first sentence. When there is an even number of valid rules, half of them will be greater than 40 words in length, and half will be less than 40 words in length. No rule may be exactly 40 words in length. For n= a positive integer or one-and-a-half, the 2n+1_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its last sentence. Judgement: 119:5 is INVALID for trying to restrict all rules. Other than that, +1 style. 119:6--Aron Wall--INVALID--0--Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:13:34 >For each positive integer n, the 2n_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) >shall have this sentence as its first sentence. They shall also have at least one Mathematical Theorem. (e.g. _____Mathematical Mediocrity____ Let S = intrinsic style of rule (from -3 to 3) (not style points given by Judge) Let E = extremity of rule (from 0 to 1) We now need an equation that determines the intrisic style of rules. Obviously extreme rules have low S, and medium rules have high S. More precisely: S = 3 - 6E (1) Thus if E = 0, S = 3 and if E = 1, S = -3. However, there is also a formula for determining E from S: E = S^2 / 9 (2) So a rule with small S has small E, but large S (either positive or negative) leads to high E's. This is in keeping with the idea that style -3 or 3 rules are extreme, but style 0 rules mediocre. Combining (1) and (2): S = 3 - 2 S^2 / 3 Solving for S gives S = -3 (extremely unmediocre) OR S = +3/2 (moderately mediocre). This proves our first theorem. Theorem 1: The intrinsic style of a rule is either -3 or +3/2.) Judgement: 119:6 would be the fourth valid rule and has the required sentence. Sadly, as I read it, its condition does not apply to rule 119:3 (the second valid rule), and it therefore restricts less than half of the rules. INVALID, +0 style for being long and involved. 119:7--Ed Murphy--INVALID--1.5--Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:52:21 For each positive integer n, the 2n_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its first sentence. For each positive integer n, the 2n_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall define a previously undefined term; unless the previous valid rule did so, in which case it shall not do so. A Weaselly rule is one with a restriction that does not apply to itself. Judgement: 119:7 (labeled 5) also has the right marker. Sadly, it falls victem to the same problem as 119:6 by failing to apply to 119:3. INVALID, +1.5 for having a nice restriction and definition. 119:8--Nicholson Neisler--VALID- -0.5--Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:06:01-4 For each positive integer n, the 2n_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its first sentence. When there is an even number of valid rules, half of them will be greater than 40 words in length. When there is an even number of valid rules, half will be less than 41 words in length. For n= a positive integer or one-and-a-half, the 2n+1_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its last sentence. Judgement: I correct my judgement on this to VALID. Jesse and Anton are correct that it does affect only even numbered rules, since odd numbered rules could be either more or less than 40 words, and only the even ones would be restricted. 119:9--Doug Chatham--INVALID--1--Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:18:45 For each positive integer n, the 2n_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its first sentence. Each rule restricted by the second valid rule of this round shall have no more than three sentences. For n= a positive integer or one-and-a-half, the 2n+1_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its last sentence. Judgement: Sadly, my rejudgement of 119:8 forces me to reverse 119:9 as well. Since 119:8 is now restricted by the 119:3, 119:9 becomes INVALID. +1 style. 119:10--Aron Wall--VALID--1--Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:11:39 All rules shorter than 41 words must contain as their sole restriction a provision requiring at least ten words of themselves to be contained in some subset of the rules. For n= a positive integer or one-and-a-half, the 2n+1_th_ valid rule (if and when posted) shall have this sentence as its last sentence. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith -- Rule Date: 1999-08-30 02:05:57 GMT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Addendum from Andre Engels: Proposals from this round: 119:A: That the following overrule be adopted for this round: Let n be the number of valid rules posted during the round. Then the member who posted the pth valid rule, where p is the largest integer no greater than n/2, is the Judge for the next round. Proposed by: Doug Chatham FOR: Doug Chatham, Henry Towsner, Aron, Jonathan Fry, Anton Cox, Jesse Welton, Elysion (Joshua Boehme), Nicholson Neisler AGAINST: Result: Passes 8-0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 119:B----------------------- The Wizard for Round 120 will be the player whose Style Point Total in 119 is closest to the mean Style Point Total of 119 of all those who have submitted at least one rule in 119, be it VALID or INVALID. END 119:B------------------- Proposed by: Aron FOR: Aron, Anton Cox, Jesse Welton, Elysion (Joshua Boehme), Nicholson Neisler AGAINST: Jonathan Fry Result: Passes 5-1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 119:C. That 119:5 be declared INVALID. proposed by: Doug Chatham FOR: AGAINST: Anton Cox, Aron Wall Result: Fails 0-2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 119:D. That 119:6 be declared INVALID. proposed by: Doug Chatham FOR: AGAINST: Anton Cox, Aron Wall Result: Fails 0-2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 119:E. That 119:7 be declared INVALID. proposed by: Doug Chatham FOR: AGAINST: Anton Cox, Aron Wall Result: Fails 0-2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug's explanation for Proposals C,D,E: The Judge is running out of time to judge 119:5,6,7, and I have concerns about validity. (For example, doesn't 119:5 restrict *more than half* of the valid rules, thus violating 119:1? If so, and 119:5 is INVLAID, aren't 6 and 7 missing one of the magic sentences required by 119:3 and 119:4?)