Round 118 - End of Round Summary Judge: Nick Neisler Wizard: Ronald Kunne Judge and Wizard for Round 119: Richard Wein (Tich) Note: Rule 118:10 has been kept valid. Theme - FRC Genealogy: Family Trees Those who played Can play till Style --------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Wein (Tich) Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:37:56 +0100 +6 Jeremy D. Selengut Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:35:46 -0400 +2.5 Joshua Boehme Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:53:05 -0400 +.5 Towsner Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:50:15 -0400 +3.5 Aron Wall Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:27:09 -0700 +.5 David Thomas Fisher Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:37:47 -0700 +1 Rule Sent by Sent at Was Style ------------------------------------------------------------------ 118:1 Tich Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:45:55 +0100 VALID +1 118:2 Jeremy Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:28:33 -0400 INVALID +1 118:3 Joshua Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:53:05 -0400 VALID +.5 118:4 Townser Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:47:31 -0400 VALID +1 118:5 Tich Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:55:43 +0100 VALID +.5 118:6 David Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:37:47 -0700 VALID +1 118:7 Tich Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:57:23 +0100 VALID +1.5 118:8 David Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:30:33 -0700 INVALID +1 (TICH) 118:9 Townser Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:50:15 -0400 VALID +1 118:10 Jeremy Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:35:46 -0400 VALID +1.5 118:11 Aron Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:27:09 -0700 VALID +.5 118:12 Tich Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:37:56 +0100 VALID +2 118:13 Townser Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:42:52 -0400 INVALID +1.5 RULES: ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:1 Richard Wein wrote: > The earliest known ancestor of the de Ville clan was old Sir Nicholas de > Ville, who founded the family estate in Fernaugh. > > Each rule will mention a member or relative of the de Ville clan, not > mentioned in any previous rule rule. Valid. Style +1 Short and simple. Sets the stage and is open enough to allow a good amount of latititude for the next several rules. ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:2 Jeremy D. Selengut wrote: > *****Begin Rule***** > > Unknown to any of the de Ville's (nor to any human in the Federal Republic > of Caladonia), Sir Nicholas, who was raised in an orphanage, was sired by > Satan himself (THE deVil). His mother was a noblewoman who came to > dishonor, did a deal with the dark one, and died in childbirth - the price > of her deal more than she bargained for. No one in the Abbey where she > died knew who she was. Thus, Satan is the last _unknown_ ancestor of the > de Ville clan. The authors of future rules which do not, directly or > indirectly, incorporate or describe Satan's influence on the de Ville's or > the implications of Sir Nicholas' unknown parentage must pay a price. This > price will be determined by the first rule submitted after the Judge's > ruling on the offending rule (whether that ruling is VALID or INVALID). > > *****End Rule***** INVALID, Style +1 Rule 118:1 States, "The earliest known ancestor of the de Ville clan was old Sir Nicholas de Ville". Ancestor is defined as: One from whom a person is descended, whether on the father's or mother's side, at any distance of time; a progenitor; a fore father. This would imply all of Sir Nicholas de Ville's ancestors are unknown, including his mother and father. Rule 118:2 States, "Satan is the last _unknown_ ancestor of the de Ville clan" Last is defined as: 1. Being after all the others, similarly classed or considered, in time, place, or order of succession; following all the rest; final; hindmost; farthest; This would imply that Sir Nicholas de Ville's mother was known. This cannot be the case from Rule 118:2. Therefore Rule 118:2 is invalid. The rule was too long for my liking, but the de Ville reference was nice, so 0 style. -Judge Neisler ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:3 Joshua Boehme wrote: > > === > > Due to the influence of a certain, devious de Ville patriarch, the de > Ville's have always have always been quite bizarre. For instance, Francoise > de Ville, the third grandson of Sir Nicholas, loved to stock the ornamental > ponds each morning with all manner of exotic fish. Unfortunately, most of > the de Ville clan took issue with the fact that Francoise de Ville would use > only dead fish. Some say, often after the encouragement of cheap ale, that > this was the cause of the Incident many years later. > > === > > Elysion Valid, style +.5 This rule follows all the requirements of rule 118:1. It also sets the stage for future rules. ___________________________________________________________________________ Towsner wrote: > -----Begin 118:4----- > Speculation still rages over the precise cause of the Incident. > Although many propose that it was due to the direct intervention of Sir > Nick's father, it has become increasingly popular to propose that Satan's > influence over the Incident was limited to causing Madame Fiona to marry > Francoise. Fiona, of course, was the one who convinced the family to > purchase that now-infamous candle holder. > Any rule which mentions the Incident must avoid specifying any > details of the actions involved in it, although they may mentions relevant > objects. > -----End----- > > -- > -Henry Towsner > > VALID, style +1 There seems to be no conflict with the other valid rules. Commet: This rule implies, Nicolas' Father was Satan. It may be guessed, but it cannot be known. Beware future rules. Both the Candleholder and the Dead Fish must be relevant objects in regard to the incident. Style: The story continues to develop. A restriction on the incident is made. ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:5 Richard Wein wrote: > Francoise de Ville had three sons: Eric, Cuthbert, and the one who is never > named. On his death, he left each of them an object involved in the > Incident. One was that now-infamous candle holder. Another was the dreadful > tome of Satanic verses. All three objects have become heirlooms, passed down > through the family to this day. > > In accordance with family tradition, heirlooms must alway be named by the > full phrase that originally described them. VALID Style +.5 The family is further developed. The restiction is amusing if not extensive. ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:6 David Thomas Fisher wrote: > The history of the de Ville clan is divided into chapters. The first > chapter includes all that came before the Incident; the third includes all > that came after. Henceforth, all rules that make mention of events in the > third chapter may not speak of the unknown ancestor of the deVille > clan, because of the Unholy Truths that made themselves known in the > second. > > The Marquis de Ville always claimed heritage of the de Ville clan, but > none knew how he was truly related; however, it can not be denied that he > was related. For you see, it was he who provided the finely-crafted > silver bell, and surely, if he were not related, the Incident would have > ended quite differently than it did. > > VALID, style +1 Another Item is added to the incident. No reason to see that the rule is invalid. Style: Adds a little spice by introducing the chapter concept. ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:7 Richard Wein wrote: > To return to genealogy... > > > > Inbreeding has been rife in the de Ville family. (That infernal influence > again?) In fact, anyone who has ever inherited a de Ville family heirloom is > descended from old Sir Nicholas through both parents. > > Unknown to Francoise, his first wife, Esmerelda, the mother of his first two > sons, was the illegitimate daughter of Sir Nicholas's only son. > > VALID, style +1.5 I don't see any reason this rule would be invalid. Style: The geneology problems are starting. ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:8 David Thomas Fisher wrote: > Hey, this beats working any day. > > >>>> WARNING: rule. > > An interesting fact about the de Ville clan is that none in it has ever > died of "natural causes." Popular superstition among the townspeople has > it that a certain ancestor periodically calls them to the netherworld. > > Possibly supporting this theory is the fact that each holder of an > heirloom has died in a way somehow related to that heirloom, either > directly, as Eric was killed when the finely-crafted silver bell fell off > a high shelf and onto his head, or indirectly, as Eric's daughter Abigail > was killed by a fire started by a tallow candle in that now-infamous > candle holder. > > Many years later, Clara de Ville found written in the back of the dreadful > tome of Satanic verse the following: > > Cuthbert de Ville -- acid > Erica de Ville -- drowned > Reginald de Ville -- aer (?) > Nicholas de Ville II -- crushed > > which she took to be a list of previous holders of the heirloom. > > <<<< > INVALID, style +1 (for Tich) Rule 118:5: "In accordance with family tradition, heirlooms must alway be named by the full phrase that originally described them." Unfortunately, "the dreadful tome of Satanic verse" is not the full phrase. The full phrase from from rule 118:5 is "the dreadful tome of Satanic verses" +1 Style goes to Tich for catching this. ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:9 Towsner wrote: > ---Begin--- > A number of genealogists, claiming to be less guillible than the > others, have claimed that the tendency for branches of the de Ville family > tree to die out (of any two siblings, no more than one has ever had > grand-children) is due not to any mysterious, diabolic ancestor, but mere > politics. It has not escaped their notice that these deaths have allowed > the current head of the estate, Eliza de Ville, to gain control of an > estate which has remained largely intact, and, indeed, expanded greatly. > Eliza, upon hearing this theory, worried that a more rational > explanation of the family's history would destroy the aura of mystery which > has made them so effective, immediately began using the family fortune to > gain a personal say over all research into the family history. Among other > restrictions, she has mandated that in the future a better attempt will be > made to treat the genders equally. As a consequence, no rule after this > may cause the difference between the number of men named in all rules and > the number of women named in all rules to increase. > ---End--- VALID, style +1 > > > This appears to be valid on all counts. The only thing close I see is "any > mysterious, diabolic ancestor" since we seem to be in the third chapter. No > specific ancestor is named, so I think things can slide. Style: A good solid rule. The restriction is a good one as well. -Judge Neisler ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:10 Jeremy D. Selengut wrote: > ***** Begin Rule ***** > > Eliza deVille, the current matriarch (the date as of this rule is July > 16th, 1921), is the great-great-granddaughter of Sir Nicholas' > great-granddaughter, Julie. Julie's husband, a scoundrel named Bill > Zeebub, is, unfortunately, also Eliza's great-grandfather, which > complicates matters considerably. Bill's illicit relationship with Julie's > distant cousin Abigail which resulted in this wormwood in the family tree > was also the cause of his death -- at the hands of the one who is never > named, no less. > > Future rules may never be written from the perspective of a date more than > one year after the date of the previous valid rule, nor may any rule be > written from the perspective of a date earlier in time than the previous > valid rule. Any rule not explicitly stating the current date is assumed to > have been composed from the perspective of the day following that > attributed to the previous valid rule. > > ***** End of rule ***** > > -Jeremy VALID style +1.5 I cannot find any reason this rule would be invalid. Style: Adds a new element with dating. (And I don't mean within the Family.) ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:11 Aron Wall wrote: > >>>>>> > Inbreeding is in fact so common in the deVille family that in each > generation only one deVille will marry a non- deVille. These outsiders > have always only seemed to make the deVilles more eccentric. The most > notorious of them was Lucy Firr, whose collection of miserific recipies > featured prominantly in the incident, but then disappeared with Eliza's > late (third) husband, Angel Fallens. > >>>>>> > > Aron Wall VALID style +.5 I can find no reason this rule would be invalid. Style: Nice continuation of the family History. Don't forget "Moe Loch". :) -Judge Neisler ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:12 Richard Wein wrote: > Alas poor Abigail de Ville. To inherit one heirloom might be regarded as a > misfortune, but to inherit two... > > The first, that now-infamous candle holder, came to her in the normal course > of events, on the death of her father, Eric, she being his only child. The > second, the finely-crafted silver bell, is more of a mystery. Certainly, it > was bequeathed to her by Bill Zeebub, indolent husband of her first > cousin once removed on her father's side (well, actually, on her mother's > side too). But how did he acquire it? And why did he leave it to Abigail? > Nothing is known for sure, but the birth of a child four months later to the > unmarried girl may well have been connected. > > Genealogists have noticed the following regularities in de Ville family > history, which help make their work a little easier: > 1. No two members of the family have had the same first name. > 2. All legitimately born members have taken their father's surname at birth. > 3. All married females have taken their husband's surname on marrying. > 4. With the exception of the above, no-one ever has ever changed their name. > 5. These facts apply to all descendants of Sir Nicholas de Ville, whatever > their surname, and to anyone who has ever married into the family. VALID, style +2 I do not see any reason this rule would be invalid. The family tree is still quite open, and the relations named seem quite feasible. There may be some question regarding the second part of 118:10, but nothing that cannot be easily explained. Style: Bonus style points for tightening up the Genological details. ___________________________________________________________________________ 118:13 Towsner wrote: > I found one solution, but it's a little...bizarre. However, as you > demonstrated, it only works properly if Eric and Julie are the same person. > Thus: > > ---118:3 > Perhaps the strangest member of the de Ville family is Eric. After > being caught murdering his brother, he fled the family. Due to an unusual > disease, he actually became a woman, returned, and adopted the name Julie, > claiming to be a distant cousin. Madame Eliza generally claims to be > descended from Julie (which is technically true), although in fact she is > descended from the product of Eric's daughter Abigail and Julie's husband > Bill Zeebub. Their child, Annie, had several children, including the only > honorable (and therefore short-lived) member of the de Ville family, Erin > de Ville. > ---End > > INVALID, style +1.5 >From 118:12 , "4. With the exception of the above, no-one ever has ever changed their name." This rule conflict with the above, and is therefore invalid. He adopted a new name, "Julie" which means his name was changed. Style: A damn nice try. If 118:12 had be rejudged invalid, then it may have passed.