AFwd: Judgement 234:4 INVALID +2.5 StyleA--actually VALID

From: Aron Wall (aron_at_wall.org)
Date: Thu Apr 07 2005 - 08:56:07 PDT


Below is my judgement and style award for this rule...which I sent to
Quazzie alone.  This is my post to the list.  But by RO 8 Default and RO 10
Public Posting, three days have elapsed with no judgement and therefore this
rule is in fact VALID.

Aron Wall wrote:

> Quazie wrote:
>
> > The tenth valid rule of this round shall never have a break within it
> > for any reason, that is in the sense of a period, exclamation point,
> > or question mark, until it has come to an end, for if it does it shall
> > violate this rule, which in and of itself, is a perfect example of
> > exactly what the tenth valid rule of this round shall look like, and
> > furthermore the tenth valid rule of this round, written by hamlet, not
> > to be televised etc etc shall furthermore contain exactly as many
> > words as the tenth valid rule of this round, which by reference and in
> > accordance with the first valid rule of this round implies that the
> > tenth valid rule of this round and this valid rule of this round,
> > whatever number it may be, shall both contain the exact number of
> > words, which by absolute chance happens to be not more not less but
> > exactly equal to then number that shall end this sentence, which in
> > itself shall count as words as it will be written as words: one
> > hundred and eighty five.
>
> Validity: I'm sad to say this isn't.  If only you had written "the first
> rule", instead of "the first valid rule" I think that it would be fine.
> But the first valid rule happens to be 234:2, which in no way "by
> reference and in accordance" produces the clever twist which you hope
> for.
>
> Style: +2 for merit.  I really like your plan to restrict 234:2 with a
> tautological restriction, but then exploit an ambiguity in 234:1's
> statement that each rule must itself satisfy the restriction it places on
> the 10th valid rule in order to twist it into a nontautological
> restriction on your own rule, which however because it requires the rule
> to do something the same as the 10th Valid rule actually acts as a
> restriction on that rule.
> An additional +0.5 as a traditional bonus to a new player's first
> submission.
> Total: +2.5
>
> Aron Wall
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Quazie wrote:

> The tenth valid rule of this round shall never have a break within it
> for any reason, that is in the sense of a period, exclamation point,
> or question mark, until it has come to an end, for if it does it shall
> violate this rule, which in and of itself, is a perfect example of
> exactly what the tenth valid rule of this round shall look like, and
> furthermore the tenth valid rule of this round, written by hamlet, not
> to be televised etc etc shall furthermore contain exactly as many
> words as the tenth valid rule of this round, which by reference and in
> accordance with the first valid rule of this round implies that the
> tenth valid rule of this round and this valid rule of this round,
> whatever number it may be, shall both contain the exact number of
> words, which by absolute chance happens to be not more not less but
> exactly equal to then number that shall end this sentence, which in
> itself shall count as words as it will be written as words: one
> hundred and eighty five.

Validity: I'm sad to say this isn't.  If only you had written "the first
rule", instead of "the first valid rule" I think that it would be fine.
But the first valid rule happens to be 234:2, which in no way "by
reference and in accordance" produces the clever twist which you hope
for.

Style: +2 for merit.  I really like your plan to restrict 234:2 with a
tautological restriction, but then exploit an ambiguity in 234:1's
statement that each rule must itself satisfy the restriction it places on
the 10th valid rule in order to twist it into a nontautological
restriction on your own rule, which however because it requires the rule
to do something the same as the 10th Valid rule actually acts as a
restriction on that rule.
An additional +0.5 as a traditional bonus to a new player's first
submission.
Total: +2.5

Aron Wall


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