RE: Proposal 196:G

From: Leonhard, Christian (Christian_Leonhard_at_ADP.com)
Date: Fri Nov 15 2002 - 08:29:11 PST


On the subject of "we must assume that the eulogy must be shorter than the
combination of ALL eulogies that came before it," I will have to join Jesse
in dismissing this argument. To say that something is true of all X is not
the same thing as saying that it is true of the set of all X, nor vice
versa. On the other hand, I am a strong proponent of granting submissions
any plausible interpretation of the existing ruleset where necessary to
render them valid, and would normally be willing to give the benefit of the
doubt to what is at least an arguable point. What turns me against this
argument in this particular instance, I'm afraid, is 196:3's explanation of
the intent of this restriction: to save the FRC "by minimising the space it
takes up." A restriction which merely limited the ruleset to doubling in
size with every submission (!) would hardly seem a sound approach to
achieving that goal.

Christian


-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Welton [mailto:jwelton_at_pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:08 AM
To: frc_at_trolltech.com
Subject: Re: Proposal 196:G


"Jeff Weston (Sir Toby)" wrote:
>
> I really hate to throw yet another proposal out there, but I feel I need
> to establish this precedent with regards to the requirement of 196:3.
> 196:3 states: "make all eulogies shorter than those before them". Since it
> doesn't state the all eulogies must be shorter than the one eulogy
> immediately before it, we must assume that the eulogy must be shorter than
> the combination of ALL eulogies that came before it.

This seems like an extremely forced reading to me.  It's like saying
that I'm shorter than my parents, because their combined height is
greater than mine.

> Below, I've provided a character count of all of the rules up to and
> including 196:8. Carriage returns have been treated as a character for
> this count.
>
> 196:1  - 462
> 196:2  - 1016
> 196:3  - 438

Hmm, this brings up another issue, though: In what way is 196:2
shorter than 196:1?  If 196:3 requires all rules (as opposed to all
future rules) to be shorter than those before them, then for 196:3 to
be valid, 196:2 must be shorter than 196:1.  If there is no
identifiable way in which 196:2 is shorter than 196:1, one solution is
to treat 196:3's suggestion as non-binding.  Another is, as Alan
suggested, to apply the restriction strictly to the eulogistic portion
of each rule.

-Jesse

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