From: Richard S. Holmes (rsholmes_at_MailBox.Syr.Edu)
Date: Tue Jun 04 2002 - 13:16:40 PDT
Round 185 began 2002-05-28 19:21:24 GMT
Judge: Rich Holmes
Wizard: Jonathan Van Matre
Theme: Slander and Libel!
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Eligibility and Style:
Joshua expires 2002-06-09 18:00:07 GMT +1.5
Glenn & Chrystal Overby expires 2002-06-08 16:21:34 GMT -0.7
Alan Riddell expires 2002-06-07 22:06:53 GMT -0.2
James Willson expires 2002-06-06 17:18:29 GMT +1.0
Jonathan Van Matre expires 2002-06-06 15:18:16 GMT +0.7
All others expired 2002-06-04 19:21:24 GMT 0.0
Jesse Welton expired 2002-06-03 19:21:24 GMT +1.9
Aron Wall expired 2002-06-03 19:21:24 GMT +1.4
Ed Murphy expired 2002-06-03 19:21:24 GMT +2.0
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Rule judgements:
----------- JUDGEMENTS -----------
Initial: Latest:
185.1 Jonathan Van Matre VALID, +2.7 INVALID, +1.7
185.2 Jesse Welton INVALID, +1.9 INVALID, +1.9
185:3 Joshua VALID, +1.5 VALID, +1.5
185:4 Jonathan Van Matre UNSUCCESSFUL, -1.0 VALID, -1.0
185:5 Aron Wall INVALID, +1.4 INVALID, +1.4
185:6 James Willson VALID, +1.0 VALID, +1.0
185:7 Alan Riddell VALID, -0.2 VALID, -0.2
185:8 Glenn & Chrystal Overby VALID, -0.7 VALID, -0.7
*185:9 Ed Murphy INVALID, +2.0 INVALID, +2.0
185:10 Joshua VALID, 0.0 VALID, 0.0
185:11 Jesse Welton (not eligible)
* Sucky rule (per 185:E)
Proposal results:
185:A PASSED
185:B PASSED
185:C WITHDRAWN
185:D PASSED
185:E PASSED
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Rules
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From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <JVanMatre_at_oslp.com>
Subject: Rule 185:1
To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:19:43 -0500
It has come to the attention of the FRC Oversight Committee that recent
rounds have contained an inordinate number of errors, ranging from the
merely grammatical to errors in judgement. For example, use of the
non-word "proceedure" and an ill-advised pun on the name of the current
pontiff and an obscure Texas Libertarian politician were both committed
in the previous round. Therefore, all FRC members are enjoined to take
corrective action whenever they discern an error committed by another
member of the FRC.
However, FRC members are advised to remain cautious of committing
slander, libel, or defamation. Please bear in mind the three criteria
for defamation:
1) The statement must be untrue,
2) The statement must be communicated to a third party, and
3) The statement must be demonstrably harmful to the reputation of the
victim.
For the purposes of this round, a player's total accumulated Style
points in the round will be considered a reflection of eir Reputation.
Players may submit Rules claiming damages for defamation. The Judge
will deem such rules VALID if they meet the criteria set out above, and
any rule found guilty of defamation will have its ruling changed to
INVALID as punishment. At the Judge's discretion, Style/Reputation
points may also be adjusted as a further penalty or compensation for
harm.
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-28 19:21:24 GMT
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From: Jesse Welton <jwelton_at_pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: 185:2
To: frc_at_trolltech.com (Fantasy Rules Committee)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:17:55 -0400 (EDT)
--- begin 185:2 ---
Nothing in this rule is true. This is a stupid rule, and obviously
INVALID. Blatant self-inconsitancy merits low style; therefore this
entire untrue rule is defamatory to its author, me. Under rule 185:1,
the Judge must therefore rule it VALID. I further request a style
award in the amount of 3.0 points in compensation, to be deducted from
the style of the offending rule's author.
--- end ---
Hmm, yes. Now let's see what happens...
-Jesse
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-30 14:18:05 GMT
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From: Joshua <j3b4_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: Rule 185:3
To: Fantasy Rules Committee <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:17:01 -0400 (EDT)
In an open hearted attempt to neutralize some of the bad feeling that
may be creeping into this round I suggest that we learn from the
excellent examples provided to us by the communist administration in
China who invented the practice of "self-criticism". By offering
self-criticism we reveal our honest intentions and fair spirit before
tearing mercilessly into the flesh of our esteemed comrades.
To provide a shining example I will admit that even I have a fault. It
is hard for me to admit but I am a bit of a perfectionist. You may not
think that's a serious fault - I thank you for your generosity if you
don't - but I feel it can sometimes cause others to look bad when
compared to me. For this reason I am ashamed and deeply request your
forgiveness and adoration.
Now, having completed my self-criticism I am free to give a frank
assessment of my fellow committee members. From what I can see they
are incompetent and fractious. If their slovenly behavior continues we
may all be heading for irredeemable disaster. I can only hope that
something is done to make the INVALID rule writers feel a deep and last
shame for their actions.
Anyone who has written an INVALID rule in this round must make a
self-criticism and apologize to the committee in their next rule.
______________________________________________________________________
Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-30 15:17:26 GMT
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From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <JVanMatre_at_oslp.com>
Subject: 185:3 [Renumbered to 185:4 -- RSH]
To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:16:53 -0500
It has again come to the attention of the FRC Oversight Committee that
recent rounds have contained an inordinate number of errors, ranging
from the merely grammatical to errors in judgement. For example, use of
the non-word "proceedure" and an ill-advised pun on the name of the
current pontiff and an obscure Texas Libertarian politician were both
committed in the previous round. Therefore, all FRC members are
enjoined to take corrective action whenever they discern an error
committed by another member of the FRC.
However, FRC members are advised to remain cautious of committing
slander, libel, or defamation. Please bear in mind the three criteria
for defamation:
1) The statement must be untrue,
2) The statement must be communicated to a third party, and
3) The statement must be demonstrably harmful to the reputation of the
victim.
For the purposes of this round, a player's total accumulated Style
points in the round will be considered a reflection of eir Reputation.
Players may submit Rules claiming damages for defamation. Any rule
found guilty of defamation (as a result of the rule claiming defamation
being ruled VALID) will have its ruling changed to INVALID as
punishment. At the Judge's discretion, Style/Reputation points may also
be adjusted as a further penalty or compensation for harm from
defamation.
<non-rule commentary>
Well, blimey if I didn't miss one little (but crucial) problem with this
the first time around. At least I wasn't the only one who missed it. I
gather it's generally considered gauche to resubmit the same rule here,
but I'm really interested to see how this plays out, so here's what I
hope is a working, valid version.
</non-rule commentary>
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-30 15:18:16 GMT
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From: Aron Wall <aron_at_wall.org>
Subject: 185:5
To: frc_at_trolltech.com
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:00:05 -0700
>>>>>
It grows increasingly clear that the FRC consists almost entirely of
extremely depraved individuals. They are only concerned with the
success of themselves and their own rules, and are perfectly caspable of
putting forward the most blatantly illogical and absurd arguments that
their own rules should be VALID with high style--but for other people's
rules, they do just the opposite. For the first 75 rounds since I
joined, I had high hopes that they would shape up, that they would be
able to rule themselves in a peaceful, democratic fashion. But now I
realize that human nature is completely corrupt, unable to provide
happiness for themselves or others. What? Do you think that these
bastions of wickedness are happy? Why then do they continue to fight
for honor in future rounds no matter how much they have recieved in
previous rounds? It is an inherantly futile effort. Everyone loses,
even the winners. If the masses are completely corrupt, only an
absolute ruling power can keep them in line. The Leviathan. The Judge.
However, it has come to my attention that the Judge does not yet have
absolute power. While there is a limit to what one rule can do, there
is a drastic remedy that this rule shall take that will bring the Judge
much greater power. I feel confident that the Judge, in light of my
carefully reasoned treatise on human nature, will accept this increased
power.
Future rules shall all be INVALID due to inconsistancy with this rule.
That is, they should all be declared INVALID the first time. The Judge
is perfectly able to make them VALID by a reruling, and presumably shall
for any rules that he likes. But no more of this nonsense about
consistency automatically earning a place among the ruleset. Forget
about consistancy. All that matters is whether the (nearly)
omnicompetent Judge does or does not like your rule.
>>>>>>
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-30 16:59:53 GMT
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From: James Willson <jkvw3_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: 185:6
To: frc <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:18:13 -0700 (PDT)
185:6
>>>>>>>>>>
Since the judge is an unsufferable twit,we will tell the judge what rules he
does and does not like.
The judge likes all rules which are consistent with previous valid rules
which are not 185:5, but which are not consistent with 185:5.
The judge does not like any other rule.
>>>>>>>>>>
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--
Rule Date: 2002-05-30 17:18:29 GMT
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From: "Alan Riddell" <peekee_at_blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: 185:7
To: "frc" <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:10:28 +0100
We need more rules, who cares if they are valid or not... FRC members who
have not posted a rule this round (by the time I have posted this) are
clearly Far to Righteous and Conceited to post rules. They worry to much
about their "style"... Pah! WHO CARES ABOUT STYLE?????? As such any future
rule they do post can only be VALID if the style points awarded for that
rule are negative.
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-31 22:06:53 GMT
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From: Glenn & Chrystal Overby <guardcaptain_at_earthlink.net>
Subject: 185:8
To: FRC List <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:18:09 -0500
<rule>
My colleague is right. I am indeed Righteous and Conceited. However, his call is
just...if not stylish...so I shall also post a Rule.
But I would first point out that the reference in Rule 185:1 to an obscure Texas
Libertarian politician borders on defaming the Congressman in question. The
Honorable Ron Paul was elected as a Republican member of Congress, not a
Libertarian. I am certain that in Republican circles calling the honorable member a
Libertarian is injurious to his reputation. :)
I disagree with my un-Righteous and non-Conceited Modest Predecessor about
style. EVERYTHING is a matter of style.
(See http://home.earthlink.net/~guardcaptain/Style.html)
Committee members should get off their bums and more aggressively judge style.
Therefore, any Rule may be declared Sucky by the Committee's passing a Proposal
to that effect. If a Rule is declared Sucky, it must be declared INVALID by the Judge,
as we can't afford Sucky Rules when we also have sleepy members.
</rule>
Glenn E. Overby II
Tilton, Illinois, USA
--
Rule Date: 2002-06-01 16:21:34 GMT
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From: "Ed Murphy" <emurphy42_at_socal.rr.com>
Subject: 185:9
To: "FRC" <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:58:20 -0700
You want un-Stylish? Huh? Do ya?
ALL FUTURE RULES ARE INVALID.
Now *that's* un-Stylish.
What's that? You think you can weasel out of it, because this rule Sucks?
Well, I think your Suckiness rule is invalid. So there. Nyah.
I shall now post a number so large that it is a waste of your bandwidth
to download it.
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No, there's nothing else but the signature, twit. You can stop reading now.
--
Ed Murphy <emurphy42_at_socal.rr.com> "I'm not sure I can go through
http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/ with it. Leave, I mean."
--
Rule Date: 2002-06-01 16:59:04 GMT
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From: Joshua <j3b4_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: 185:10
To: FRC <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT)
I realize now, that self criticism is not sufficient to improve the
committee. These times call for stricter measures. For correction to be
effective offensive members must be publicly named. It is only thus
that their humiliation will be great enough to help them mend their
ways.
For example our lamentable comrade Ed Murphy is guilty of the noxious
habit of posting large numbers. Recently he posted a number so large
in fact, that by his own admission it WASTED the bandwidth of his
fellow committee members. This behavior is low and despicable. I
would not like to be accused of slander, but it has been suggested that
large-number-posters tend to have poor hygiene and hairy palms. I do
not say any of this out of spite, but out of love. For all of you know
I have nothing but love for all committee members. By administering
this chastisement I hope to elevate Ed Murphy out of his contemptible
position into a place where he can better serve the committee.
Despite my impressive abilities I cannot do all the work of improving
the committee alone. Therefore it is now compulsory for everyone to
help me. All future rules must point out a weakness or flaw in a
fellow committee member. All future rules must also clearly state
their lack of hostility and loving intent so that no one can feel
slandered or unfairly attacked.
______________________________________________________________________
Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca
--
Rule Date: 2002-06-02 18:00:07 GMT
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From: Jesse Welton <jwelton_at_pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: 185:11
To: frc_at_trolltech.com (Fantasy Rules Committee)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
I hope this is in time...
--- begin 185:11 ---
I'm afraid Joshua's love is getting out of control. He left 37
messages on my answering machine on Saturday, and last night I saw him
watchng my window from the bushes. Furthermore, there could be
children on this list, which would make him a pedophile in addition to
a stalker. And what's with this complaint about Ed's large number? I
mean, how large is too large? 1000000? 10000000000000000000000000000?
10010111001101001010101011110101101001001000100001010101010111110101010?
102990200200919190009191009901010 -- I'm sorry, what was I saying? I
do tend to get caught up and forget what my point was. But I'm sure it
was perfectly neutral, with neither hostility nor "loving intent", if
you get my meaning.
Next someone's going to say I'm twisting Joshua's words. Well, that
person is a hypocrite, because e must henceforth twist others' words
in like manner.
--- end ---
--
Rule Date: 2002-06-04 19:19:54 GMT
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Proposals
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From: Stephen Turner <sret1_at_ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Round 184 Final Score - Is the Fantasy Rules Committee Still Alive?
To: Fantasy Rules Committee <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:29:08 +0100 (BST)
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Joshua wrote:
>
> At this time the only eligible player is "Viagara for Women". "Viagara
> for Women" becomes the judge for round 185.
> Richard S. Holmes is the Wizard.
>
I propose the following Temporary Overrule under RO9:
185:A Notwithstanding Regular Ordinance 5(c), Richard Holmes shall be the
Judge for round 185.
I vote FOR this proposal.
--
Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UK http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/
"This is Henman's 8th Wimbledon, and he's only lost 7 matches." BBC, 2/Jul/01
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-23 18:04:18 GMT
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From: rsholmes_at_mailbox.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Subject: Re: Round 184 Final Score - Is the Fantasy Rules Committee Still Alive?
To: Fantasy Rules Committee <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: 23 May 2002 15:06:53 -0400
Stephen Turner <sret1_at_ntlworld.com> writes:
> I propose the following Temporary Overrule under RO9:
>
> 185:A Notwithstanding Regular Ordinance 5(c), Richard Holmes shall be the
> Judge for round 185.
I vote FOR this proposal. However, I also propose a Temporary Overrule:
185:B Jonathan Van Matre shall be the Wizard for round 185.
(However, given that the Judge seemed eager for a loophole, I hope e
will change eir ruling on the outcome of Round 184 based on the
arguments already presented and render both these proposals moot.)
--
- Rich Holmes
Syracuse, NY
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-23 19:07:11 GMT
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From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <JVanMatre_at_oslp.com>
Subject: Proposal 185:C
To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:08:48 -0500
PROPOSED: For the duration of Round 185, The Judge shall have the
authority to change eir ruling on any rule, and the style points awarded
to that rule, at any time.
ARGUMENT: It is expected that the Judge will not do so arbitrarily, but
within the constraints of Rule 185:1. This is to facilitate a changing
player "reputation" which is synonymous with the style score, and allow
players to invalidate each other's rules by noting errors in them,
thereby setting up a climate in which accusations of libel, slander, and
defamation may run rampant. See Rule 185:1 for a more detailed
explanation.
--
Rule Date: 2002-05-28 19:10:17 GMT
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From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <JVanMatre_at_oslp.com>
Subject: RE: Proposal 185:D
To: "Fantasy Rules Committee" <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:45:00 -0500
I hereby rescinde Proposal 185:C and in its stead, propose 185:D as
follows...
PROPOSED: For the duration of Round 185, The Judge shall
have the authority to change eir ruling on any rule, and the
style points awarded to that rule, at any time and for any reason.
ARGUMENT: It is expected (although not explicitly required, and
deliberately so) that the Judge will not do so arbitrarily, but within
the constraints of Rule 185:1. This is to facilitate a changing player
"reputation" which is synonymous with the style score, and allow players
to invalidate each other's rules by noting errors in them, thereby
setting up a climate in which accusations of libel, slander, and
defamation may run rampant. See Rule 185:1 for
a more detailed explanation.
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Rule Date: 2002-05-28 19:46:33 GMT
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From: Glenn & Chrystal Overby <guardcaptain_at_earthlink.net>
Subject: Proposal 185:E
To: FRC List <frc_at_trolltech.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:19:48 -0500
<proposal>
The Committee declares Rule 185:9 to be Sucky, and requests that the Judge deal
with it in accordance with the Rules.
</proposal>
I vote FOR this proposal, while still laughing...
Glenn E. Overby II
Tilton, Illinois, USA
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http://home.earthlink.net/~guardcaptain/
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Rule Date: 2002-06-01 19:20:05 GMT
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- Rich Holmes
Syracuse, NY
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Rule Date: 2002-06-04 20:16:58 GMT
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