From: Alan Riddell (pkpeekee_at_hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 27 2001 - 08:55:10 PST
Round 173 "The Themeless Round" Summary (so far) ==== 173:1 VALID Style +1.0 by Karl Low 173:2 VALID Style +1.5 by Stephen Turner 173:3 INVALID Style -2.0 by Ed Murphy 173:4 INVALID Style -1.0 by Karl Low 173:5 INVALID Style -0.5 by Sanjeev Richariya 173:6 VALID Style +0.5 by Jesse 173:7 VALID Style +1.5(?) by James Willson 173:8 VALID Style +1.5 by Glenn Overby 173:9 VALID Style +2.0 by Stephen Turner ==== Member statistics summary (for rules listed above) ==== Karl Low: Style +0.0 Eligible until: 2001-12-22 09:29:27 GMT Stephen Turner Style +3.5 Eligible until: 2001-12-30 07:04:13 GMT Ed Murphy Style -2.0 Eligible until: 2001-12-22 23:00:35 GMT Sanjeev Richariya Style -0.5 Eligible until: 2001-12-23 19:45:32 GMT Jesse Style +0.5 Eligible until: 2001-12-27 03:23:08 GMT James Willson Style +1.5 Eligible until: 2001-12-27 11:16:16 GMT Glenn Overby Style +1.5 Eligible until: 2001-12-28 18:41:02 GMT ==== Posted rules and judgements [occasionally edited by judge] ==== "Karl Low" <gurugreat_at_hotmail.com> 173:1 ----- In keeping with the theme of this round, no subsequent rule shall contain any word that was in the immediately previous submission to the FRC list. ----- Rule Date: 2001-12-16 09:29:27 GMT VALID, Style +1.0 The Rule places no requirements on itself, (as it is not a subsequent rule) it contains no contradictions and as such is valid. To be honest I had no idea what to expect from the given theme, but this is in the right area. As a first rule it is perhaps slightly restrictive IMO, taking its style down from 1.5 to 1.0 Stephen Turner <sret1_at_ntlworld.com> 173:2 >>>>> No subsequent rule shall contain any word more than once. <<<<< Rule Date: 2001-12-16 13:11:16 GMT VALID, Style +1.5 I will take it to be the case that the Rule Date stamp, the From and Reply-to fields and other such areas of the message are not part of the actual "submission". The Rule then meets the requirements of 173:1 and contains no contradictions with itself, as such it is valid. Short simple and an appropriate amount of restriction for this point in the round. Style +1.5 "Ed Murphy" <emurphy42_at_socal.rr.com> 173:3 ----- No subsequent rule shall contain any word found in a previous valid one. ----- Rule Date: 2001-12-16 23:00:35 GMT INVALID, Style -2.0 The previous submission to FRC forum had subject "Subject: Attempt #2 - This is an intentional submission, but not a rule". Although this might seem harsh when considering my previous coments, I consider the Subject field of a message part of the submission. As such the word "rule" appears in the submission previous to the rule and in the rule itself and as such it is invalid. The restriction is harsh for this point in the round and also puts the rule into a growing theme in this round, which obviously is against the theme of the round. This together with the posting of the "cheep" submission and the fact the rule turned out to still be invalid gives the rule a style of -2.0 "Karl Low" <gurugreat_at_hotmail.com> 173:4 ----- Further valid postings will contain colours. ----- Rule Date: 2001-12-17 07:42:40 GMT I have judged to be invalid as it contains the word "valid" that was contained in the message previous to it. Style -1.0 due to being invalid. Alan "Peekee" Riddell "sanjeev richariya" <sanjeev_at_richariya.freeserve.co.uk> 173:5 ---- Alternate rules shall praise something, as I now laud how useful water is. ---- Rule Date: 2001-12-17 19:45:32 GMT The rule contains the word "I" as did the previous submission, as such the rule is invalid as it does not meet the condition of 173:1 Essentiallt I like the use of the word laud apart from that the rule looses out for being invalid, and being slightly unclear on the fact that it is supposed to be a rule for this round style -0.5 "Jesse F. W" <jessefw_at_loop.com> 173:6 --- Future regs must include 31 words. --- Rule Date: 2001-12-20 03:23:08 GMT The rule meets the requirements of 173:1 & 2, and does not contradict itself, as such it is valid. Style, in general good but there have been many rules this round about restrictions on "words" and I feel that this risks creating a theme. As such the rule has lost a little style as it falls in that area. Style +0.5 James Willson <jkvw3_at_yahoo.com> 173:7 >>>>>>>>>> Selected Validity Requirements Follow: 1) Provide restrictiveness 2) Perpetuate themelessness 3) Exist without three lines unless several demonstrate listing purposes 4) Antecede myself xor contain singular colon punctuation 5) Avoid semicolons, dashes, hyphens, asterisks, plus apostrophes >>>>>>>>>> Rule Date: 2001-12-20 11:16:16 GMT [Cannot find actually text of Judgement will take to be valid Style +1.5.] Glenn Overby II <guardcaptain_at_earthlink.net> 173:8 /// Directive: Additional properly formed submissions utilize only words exceeding three letters. Compliance ensures appropriate recreational enhancement. Ignorance compels judgements regarding invalidity. Subject matter remains unregulated, harmonizing with seventh proposal, second subpoint. /// Rule Date: 2001-12-21 18:41:02 GMT Meets 173:1 & 2 also meets 173:6 as it "INCLUDES" 31 words. Also the conditions of 173:7 are all met. Style, all in all reasonable at this point +1.5 Stephen Turner <sret1_at_ntlworld.com> 173:9 >>>>> Future rules must describe something their authors like, with reasons. Thus, Committee members might learn more about each other. Stephen likes (most) classical music. Reasons: emotional power/intensity, plus good tunes! <<<<< Rule Date: 2001-12-23 07:04:13 GMT Meets 173:1 & 2 and yes I agree on Steve's interpretation that words may be repeated in seperate rules, but not in any single rule. 31 words. I also judge that going off in a new unexpected direction is at this point themeless although it will make it more difficult for future rules to remain themeless. Clearly steve's rule does exist without three lines and I take without to mean as he does in that rules must have less than three lines unless they list... However IMO for a line to exist on an email considering wordwrap it must be seperated and not just wrapped round. (If that makes sense) Style, I actually rather like his new random themeless choice of theme, thus style +2.0 ==== Other round related discussion (unsorted) ==== Now that I re-read it, it's more restrictive than I intended, since it says "Submission" doesn't that include VALID, INVALID, Judgement Statements, commentary, and spam? Yes, I think I would take all of the above to be submissions. Although spam might be difficult to judge as it may not distributed to all frc members in a proper manner to be considered a submission, further I feel a submission to the list has to have some intent to be received as a message to the list. Steve's notes on validity. 173.2: People seem to be taking this rule to mean that rules may not repeat words from other rules. While I am amazed by James and Glenn's verbal dexterity, that was not my intention. I only meant that words may not repeat words within themselves, and I hope that the Judge will use this interpretation! 173:7.2: I'm not really sure what this means in practice. It could be argued that I am illegally starting a theme here. I would counter that heading off in a totally new direction is far less themeful than continuing the implicit theme of "syntactic restrictions on rules". 173:7.3: I'm assuming that "without" is used here in the older meaning, i.e. the opposite of "within". Alan "Peekee" Riddell _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- Rule Date: 2001-12-27 16:55:30 GMT
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