From: owner-frc-digest To: frc-digest@nvg.unit.no Subject: frc-digest V1 #280 Reply-To: frc Errors-To: owner-frc-digest Precedence: bulk frc-digest Thursday, 24 August 1995 Volume 01 : Number 280 [none] re:Round 42 Proposals Final Status Re: your mail re:Round 42 Proposals Final Status Re: Are you still enjoying it? (was Re: That's it?!?) Rule 1? [none] [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pritcc@ut.rockymt.net (Clair Pritchett) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:12:46 -0600 Subject: [none] Robb and I (Clair) were reading how to join this game and when we came across what the current rule set was, we found out that we only had 15 minutes before 00:00 GMT so we hastily put together this rule and hope that it works. If this works out to be fun for both me and Robb, then he will join in later. Here is our first rule in the game "Everything's possible in the world of allusion!" From the "Princess Bride" I quote "I'm not trying to make this a downer, understand. I mean, I really do think that love is the best thing in the world, except for cough drops. But I also have to say for the umpty-umpth time, that life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all." A fair rule, by my definition, is a pretty rule. And a rule that seems fair to me, is that all rules in this round must quote the source from which the allusion comes from. We hope that we are doing this right, as it is now 00:10 GMT. If not, let us know. Clair and Robb. ------------------------------ From: "luke (l.j.) koops" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:55:00 -0400 Subject: re:Round 42 Proposals Final Status I agree with the proposed modification to the ROs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As far as the "Are you still enjoying it?" message goes. I find that the game is usually dominated by a few active players, and goes to fast for me to keep up. I don't want to use my time at work to participate. Perhaps we should enforce a time out on anyone who submits a rule. The RO would go something like this. After proposing a rule, any posting to the FRC mailing list by that member for the next N hours will not be a rule proposal. (I recommend a value in the range of 6 to 24 hours). This could also replace the penalty for submitting an invalid rule, since it would be implicit in the time out period. I think the result of doing this would create a more evenly paced game with more members participating. We could use the extra time to plot strategy, or work on our style. -Luke "The Lurker" Koops PS. I haven't participated in a game since last summer, but I would like to start playing again. ------------------------------ From: Orjan Johansen Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:22:10 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: your mail On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Clair Pritchett wrote: > We hope that we are doing this right, as it is now 00:10 GMT. If > not, let us know. I hate to break this to you, but it is actually 20:20 GMT. Try again. > Clair and Robb. Greetings, Oerjan. ------------------------------ From: peter@wolfe.net (Peter Sarrett) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:08:11 -0700 Subject: re:Round 42 Proposals Final Status >I find that the game is usually dominated by a few active players, and >goes to fast for me to keep up. I don't want to use my time at work >to participate. Perhaps we should enforce a time out on anyone who >submits a rule. I don't think that enforcing a time out would result in a greater number of people participating. This last round, for instance, had just... 9? rules. Nine. That's less than one a day. Hardly a break-neck pace, I think. Similarly, the round prior to that moved pretty slowly in the beginning, with lots of time for others to jump in. Some people just give more time to FRC than others, and thus participate more. Forcing those players to participate less will not, as evidenced by past rounds, result in others participating more. The only way to play is to PLAY. Just do it. Jump in. If you blow it, so what? You're no worse off than if you had sat out on the sidelines. - Peter ====================================================================== Peter Sarrett peter@wolfe.net | "You don't stop playing games when Seattle, WA The Game Report | you get old, you get old when you http://www.wolfe.net/~peter/tgr | stop playing games." - O.W. Holmes ====================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Don Blaheta Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:23:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Are you still enjoying it? (was Re: That's it?!?) I wrote: > I think I know part of the reason--it is too much of a delay to wait for > the judge. This last round was an especially bad case of this, but it > is true in general--say Player 1's eligibility ends Tuesday, and 2's > ends Wednesday. 1 submits a Rule late Tuesday, just in time. 2 has no > idea whether or not e has to follow the requirements of 1's rule, or > whether prior requirements have been met or not. So how can he submit a > rule in time? I'm not sure how to fix this, though. I just thought of a method, how about something like the following: (to replace the current ineligibility setup) unofficial "proto" proposal: At the beginning of a round, each player's status is "Starting". When a Starting player posts a rule (valid, invalid, or otherwise), eir status is changed to "Eligible", and eir eligibility date is set to four days from when e posted the rule. When an Eligible player posts a valid rule eir eligibility date is extended to four days from the post of eir rule. Any eligibility dates that fall between when a rule is posted and one day after it is judged is extended to one day after that rule is judged. If an Eligible player posts an Invalid rule, or eir eligibility expires, eir status is changed to "Ineligible", and e may not post. A round ends when there is one Eligible player, and eir eligibility expires. That player is the winner of that round. - --end A little complex, I know, but it is a vast improvement over the current system, I'd say. A player who hasn't submitted a rule can always jump into the round, people who are eligible and slack off get weeded out, but eligibilities are extended to allow for judgment. Better, no? Vanyel - -=-=-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-=-blahedo@quincy.edu-=-=-=-dblaheta@aol.com-=-=-=- Re graphics: A picture is worth 10K words -- but only those to describe the picture. Hardly any sets of 10K words can be adequately described with pictures. ------------------------------ From: Don Blaheta Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:00:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Rule 1? And, to start off this round, a relatively short rule... >>>> All the world's a game, and not enough Committee Members to play it. This round is based on allusions... every rule will include one, and even the theme has one! Of course, they needn't be exact quotes... paraphrases, puns and other modifications are perfectly acceptable. However, the allusion should in some way either define the theme of the rule or create a restriction, or at least relate to the FRC in some way. After all, the keyboard is mightier than the ordinance. >>>> Vanyel - -=-=-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-=-blahedo@quincy.edu-=-=-=-dblaheta@aol.com-=-=-=- Good day for a change of scene. Repaper the bedroom wall. ------------------------------ From: pritcc@ut.rockymt.net (Clair Pritchett) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:01:50 -0600 Subject: [none] Robb and I (Clair) were reading how to join this game and when we came across what the current rule set was, we found out that we only had 15 minutes before 00:00 GMT so we hastily put together this rule and hope that it works. If this works out to be fun for both me and Robb, then he will join in later. Here is our first rule in the game "Everything's possible in the world of allusion!" From the "Princess Bride" I quote "I'm not trying to make this a downer, understand. I mean, I really do think that love is the best thing in the world, except for cough drops. But I also have to say for the umpty-umpth time, that life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all." A fair rule, by my definition, is a pretty rule. And a rule that seems fair to me, is that all rules in this round must quote the source from which the allusion comes from. We hope that we are doing this right, as it is now 00:10 GMT. If not, let us know. Clair and Robb. Oops, after further investigation on when 00:00 GMT was, we found that we were wrong. We sent it off 4 hours too soon, so we have tried again at the correct time. Here it is. ------------------------------ From: pritcc@ut.rockymt.net (Clair Pritchett) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:01:53 -0600 Subject: [none] Robb and I (Clair) were reading how to join this game and when we came across what the current rule set was, we found out that we only had 15 minutes before 00:00 GMT so we hastily put together this rule and hope that it works. If this works out to be fun for both me and Robb, then he will join in later. Here is our first rule in the game "Everything's possible in the world of allusion!" From the "Princess Bride" I quote "I'm not trying to make this a downer, understand. I mean, I really do think that love is the best thing in the world, except for cough drops. But I also have to say for the umpty-umpth time, that life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all." A fair rule, by my definition, is a pretty rule. And a rule that seems fair to me, is that all rules in this round must quote the source from which the allusion comes from. We hope that we are doing this right, as it is now 00:10 GMT. If not, let us know. Clair and Robb. Oops, after further investigation on when 00:00 GMT was, we found that we were wrong. We sent it off 4 hours too soon, so we have tried again at the correct time. Here it is. ------------------------------ End of frc-digest V1 #280 *************************