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frc-digest                 Saturday, 1 April 1995       Volume 01 : Number 143

Re: The Round So Far
Re: The Round So Far
Preliminary Report on 33:8 
Unnecessary AND Auxiliary 

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From: Don Blaheta <blahedo@quincy.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 01:38:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: The Round So Far

Perceptively, Dug wrote:
 
> Hello again, all.
>   PMFJI, but I just rejoined the FRC after a long absence, and I couldn't
> help but notice that "One Sound, One Spelling" should be "Oen Sound, Oen
> Spelling".  Or am I wrong?  I figured I should understand this a little
> better before trying my own rule.

Oops.

>   -Dug Steen

Vanyel

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Don Blaheta       | GAT d?(--) H+ s-:- g-(+) p?>! !au a-- w+ v+ C++(+++) USL
blahedo@quincy.edu| !3 E--- N++ K- W--- M++ !v -po+ Y+ t++>+++ 5- jx R(+) G+
dblaheta@aol.com  | tv-- b+++ D--- B-- e(*)(+>+++) u++ h(*) f+ r-- n---- !y*
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From: Don Blaheta <blahedo@quincy.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 02:11:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: The Round So Far

The Good Wizard wrote:

> ____________________________________________________________
> Fantasy Rule 33:7
> >From Oerjan Thu Mar 30 07:15:43 1995
> VALID  --- +1.5 Style Points
> ====
> Unnesessary auksiliary words droeppd.
> ====
> Explanation for Style Points:  Brevity is the soul of wit.
> ___________________________________________________________

Nuh-uh, it was invalid; it is not self-consistent.  "auksiliary" is
redundant. :):):)  (Actually, a case could be made either way.  I'm just
being ornery.  And it *was* very stylish. ;)
 
> Sincerely,
> Doug Chatham, Judge

Vanyel

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Don Blaheta       | GAT d?(--) H+ s-:- g-(+) p?>! !au a-- w+ v+ C++(+++) USL
blahedo@quincy.edu| !3 E--- N++ K- W--- M++ !v -po+ Y+ t++>+++ 5- jx R(+) G+
dblaheta@aol.com  | tv-- b+++ D--- B-- e(*)(+>+++) u++ h(*) f+ r-- n---- !y*
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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From: rchatham@math.utk.edu
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:23:38 -0500
Subject: Preliminary Report on 33:8 

33:8 looks OK, but I want to check Mike's points before I make an 
official ruling.

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From: dug@halcyon.com (Douglas R. Steen)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:32:53 -0800
Subject: Unnecessary AND Auxiliary 

RE: This point -

>The Good Wizard wrote:
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Fantasy Rule 33:7
>> >From Oerjan Thu Mar 30 07:15:43 1995
>> VALID  --- +1.5 Style Points
>> ====
>> Unnesessary auksiliary words droeppd.
>> ====
>> Explanation for Style Points:  Brevity is the soul of wit.
>> ___________________________________________________________
>
>Nuh-uh, it was invalid; it is not self-consistent.  "auksiliary" is
>redundant. :):):)  (Actually, a case could be made either way.  I'm just
>being ornery.  And it *was* very stylish. ;)
> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Doug Chatham, Judge
>
>Vanyel

  If the rule is valid (and the Judge has ruled it so), then it is
self-consistent.  This means that "auksiliary" is _not_ redundant.  If I may
resort to Oldspeak here: Unnecessary words are fine, Unnecessary _auxiliary_
words are disallowed.  The only officially auxiliary words in English are
auxiliary verbs, such as "have" or "can", used to make a distinction in
voice, aspect, or tense.  Of course, the way the rule is worded, _necessary_
auxiliary verbs are still allowed.
  Or you can think of it this way: if one assumes that every rule applies to
all future rules, and to itself only if it so states, then this rule is
consistent because it applies only to future rules (assuming that saying
"all future rules" is unnecessary.
  Now I remember why the FRC is so much fun. ;)

  -Dug


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