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From: Don Blaheta <dpb@cs.brown.edu>
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Subject: 145:A FOR
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Quoth Aron Wall:
> --------Overrule Proposal 145:A---------
> That for the duration of round 145, all submissions to the FRC official
> forum (currently the mailing list) shall be regarded as Fantasy Rules,
> provided that the player who posted them is eligible.
> [...]

I vote FOR proposal 145:A.

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-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=-<http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/>-=-
And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode.

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From: Jesse Welton <jwelton@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>
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I vote FOR 145:A.

-Jesse

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The theme of round 145 is "The Thought Police".

I have a suggested overrrule proposal to make the round more
interesting... This idea was lifted from a previous round (I can't find
it in the archives now, but I know it's there) in which all submissions
to the FRC were interpreted as rules and judged as such.  This policy
was met with deserved disapproval, because it was created by a Fantasy
Rule and not a proposal as it should have been to have an effect on what
entities are considered FR's.  The Judge therefore stopped it.   I shall
try to do the same thing, only legally, for this next round, by using
this proposal.  Remember that it can hardly hurt you if you don't feel
like playing, but your cynical comments about the round might make life
more interesting for those playing!

--------Overrule Proposal 145:A---------
That for the duration of round 145, all submissions to the FRC official
forum (currently the mailing list) shall be regarded as Fantasy Rules,
provided that the player who posted them is eligible.

A message which contains nothing but a vote on a proposal must not be
given a style rating.

After the round ends, the player who would become the new Judge must
post within the 3 days following the end of the round that they accept
the position, or else it shall be given to the player who was eligible
the longest who *did* post a message saying that they would accept.  If
no one posts an acceptance message in 3 days, the first to do so after
the 3 day period gets to be Judge.
-------------------------------------

Round 145 shall begin as soon as the voting period has expired (3 days
from now), regardless of whether or not it passes.


The Judge

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From owner-frc@trolltech.com  Mon Aug 14 19:35:49 2000
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From: Anton Cox <A.G.Cox@city.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Aron Wall wrote:

> I shall consider the effect of a proposal as a proposal and the effect of
> the proposal as a rule to be two entirely different issues.  A valid
> proposal could fail and an invalid proposal could succeed.  The same applies
> to the efficacy of votes on proposals.

In that case, I vote FOR 145:A.

   Anton

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Nicholson Neisler wrote:

> It would seem to me the effect of proposal 145:A would be to make 'all emails
> to FRC mailing list' rules.

Exactly.

>  Therefore as rules they would have to follow ROs
> in order to be judged valid.
>
> Can a posting be a rule and a proposal at the same time?
>
> -Nick

Just to make myself perfectly clear, I will repeat myself.  The answer to your
question is YES.  The rule/proposal's fate as a rule (VALID / INVALID) and its
fate as a proposal (PASS / FAIL) do not neccesarily have any relation to each
other.  I will look at any text inside a proposal as if it had a hidden clause
reading "if this proposal succeeds, the following shall become true:" for the
purpose of determining its VALIDITY.  A rule to override the R.O.'s for example,
is not inconsistant with the R.O.'s even though it makes statements in direct
contradiction to them, because the R.O.'s allow themselves to be modified by
proposals.

By the way, I will vote FOR 145:A.

The Wizard Judge

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Orjan Johansen wrote:

> To all loyal citizens:
>
> Being far too modest ever to post here himself, our Great Leader Fred
> Cousin has gracefully given me the honour to remind you all that this is
> his birthday.  We will therefore all be happy and rejoice for the coming
> week.
>
> With our Dear Leader in Celebration,
> from the Clerk of Important Occasions.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-17 14:47:02 GMT

VALID.
Not too exciting, but fits with the theme perfectly and may make victims.
+1 Style

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Ronald Kunne wrote:

> Dear Fellow Committee Members,
>
> humbly I remind you that submissions to our faithful
> forum will be invalidated by the Honourful Mr. Judge,
> whenever they are of impolite or unrespectful content.
>
> Sincere salutations to you all and a special accolade
> for our beloved and Great Leader,
>
> le Marquis d'Orsay
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-17 15:32:38 GMT

Yes; it would not do to have a society such as existed in the bad old
pre-utopia days. +1.

The Judge

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Anton Cox wrote:

> As we all know so well, every day, in every way, our glorious society
> continues to improve. Thus, thankfully, the need for words that
> express opinions incompatible with an attitude of affirmation
> diminishes by the hour.
>
> For this reason I am delighted to report that the latest edition of
> our Great Leader's guide to the Inglish language has just appeared.
> The vocabulary has been improved to such an extent that it is now only
> possible to communicate in a positive and constructive manner.
>
> All citizens I know will join me in adopting this wonderful
> innovation!
>
> Until the next Great Leap Forward,
>
>       Citizen Blair, Acting Principal Scribe
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-17 15:35:18 GMT

Happiness is mandatory :-).  +1 Style.  I only worry that the extreme
excess in happiness might cause some of our differently-strong citizens
to explode.  Therefore I suspect that our happy and productive society
needs guidelines as to differing levels of bliss with corrosponding
levels of initiation into our most utopian society.

The Judge

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Orjan Johansen wrote:

> All citizens should feel the joy at our Great Cousin's 54th anniversary
> week!
>
> The Bureau of Important Occasions has therefore determined that it is
> appropriate to finance the following extra celebratory measures:
>
> *  An increase in today's rations by one bowl of delicious lentil
> soup.
> *  An extra entertainment special tomorrow showing the beheadings of
> three recently uncovered enemy spies.  Victory is getting closer every
> day!
> *  The decoration of our streets with ribbons in our national colors
> Glorious Blue and Aurora Purple.
>
> With the wish of a Fredful week,
> Clerk Potemkin.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-17 16:46:16 GMT

INVALID.  For shame, Clerk Potemkin.  "Beheading" is neither a
constructive nor a positive word.  And "enemy" has such bad cannotations.
We must strive to remove such irregularities from our language.  I would
suggest "removal of an extraneous object" for the first word, and "those
who have valiantly decided to demonstrate by converse how co-operation
with the utopian authorities greatly increases life expectancy" for the
second word.  Nevertheless, I think you deserve +1 style for your
otherwise magnificant report on how our society only becomes more perfect
with every passing day.  Thank Cousin Fred!

The Wizard Judge and Censor-in-Chief

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Orjan Johansen wrote:

> Dear fellow citizens, I am honoured to announce the winner of Great Leader
> Fred's Anniversary Achievement Prize.
>
> For special diligence in helping fellow citizens with the correct use of
> the Inglish language, the prize is awarded to our Meticulous Judge.
>
> The prize includes a year's vacation in Icebergia, where he and his family
> will be able to personally meet wonderful wildlife, and to observe and even
> participate in our nation's greatest mining project.
>
> I am sure this will be the experience of a lifetime!
>
> With wishes of a continued Fredful week,
> Clerk Potemkin.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-17 18:54:31 GMT

It sounds simply wonderful (and VALID).  Our clerk deserves to have his
molecular components alternatively arranged just for the quality of this fine
piece.  Additionally, I cannot help but admire the glamour of constructive
thinking that positively drips from his announcement.  Truely his rule shows
great improvement from our normal (yet glorious and perfect) fare.  In fact,
I think it contrasts so favorably to the previous rule submitted within our
noble forum that I will relieve that rule of three style points and give one
of them to this rule.  Needless to say I will continue to provide my much
needed services during my vacation.

The Wizard Judge.

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cleonhar@adpims.com wrote

> SYLVANIA (FRC) In an encouraging development in the ongoing diplomatic
> negotiations with neighboring Sylvania, several elements of the 1st Fredonian
> Peacemaking Team were treated yesterday to an impromptu demonstration of current
> Sylvanian defense technology. In the wake of the festivities, these teammembers
> were invited to remain in Sylvania as honored guests of Queen Sylvia herself.
> The Leader, on hearing the news, was overcome with emotion, making numerous
> remarks concerning the good Queen's honored ancestors and his wishes regarding
> her continued health.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-17 19:54:15 GMT

VALID +2.  Praise Our Great Leader Cousin Fred!

The Wizard Judge

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"Richard S. Holmes" wrote:

> Greetings, most fortunate of Citizens,
>
> Surely we all rejoice in the constantly increasing perfection of the
> Inglish Language.  The Popular Front for the Happiness of Ingland
> takes great pleasure in one of the most wonderful attributes of our
> language, which is that when we use a word it means exactly what it
> would bring us joy for it to mean -- no more and no less.  Thus, for
> example, when we say "The love of money is the root of all Splendor",
> it becomes delightfully clear what we mean by "Splendor".
>
> It is the hope of the PFHI that our Great Leader's Splendor will
> continue to grow more apparent to our beloved Citizens with each
> passing day.
>
> Yours in pleasant thinking,
>
> Citizen Crane
> Coordinator, PFHI
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-18 01:26:42 GMT

INVALID.  This would make all language practically meaningless and give
even the Wizard Judge headaches.  It is confusing and unclear, at least
to me (yes, I have left happy affirmative mode.  Would anyone like to
complain???).  Therefore, it brings joy to the Judge to have PFHI mean
"This rule shall be ruled INVALID."

Are you a new player?  I see you neither in the member list (though I've
been here for the last 35 rounds and I'm not on it yet), my mail box,
nor my memory of the archives and the time I've been here.  Therefore I
will give you the benefit of the doubt and not penalize you any style
points.

The Wizard Judge

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Rule Date: 2000-08-18 01:55:43 GMT

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Orjan Johansen wrote:

> NUKOSIA (FRC) In the beautiful capital of Radonia, our dear Leader today
> signed a friendship and cooperation agreement together with General
> Secretary Uran Radovan of Radonia's Populist Party.
>
> "Through the Radionans' recent radiant and energetic technology
> achievements," Cousin Fred said, "their nation has achieved its goal of
> stability and self-sufficiency.  We have therefore agreed that the
> exchange of peacemaking missions between our countries is now
> unnecessary, and that we will in the future redirect such missions to
> more productive uses."
>
> "Naturally, this shows the continued importance of our own similar
> program, and so the resources to the Icebergian mining and refinement
> project have been increased so that our nation can continue to reap even
> greater benefits from this newly developing technology."
>
> Praise our great Leader, graciously bringing peace to the world!
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-18 14:29:30 GMT

VALID.  It was worth 2 points the first time so I suppose it ought to be
worth 1 point the second time.  Praise Cousin Fred who never allows us to
get bored but provides us interesting and original events every single day
(hint hint).  It was good of you to speak even more about Fred's glorious,
glowing, mining project.  The Judge is hoping for an administrative
position with respect to the mining project, lest certain valiant clerks
in charge of prize allotment announcements personally demonstrate by
converse how regard to the wishes of their superiors, especially judicious
ones, greatly increases life expectancy.  Are you happy?  You see, my
friend, I have been informed by the secret service that you seem to have a
definite streak of not being happy ever since I performed my censorial
duty by allowing one of your announcements to be returned in order to
become even more perfect than it already was.  But we are a fair and
utopian society.  It would not be good in this case to prosecute even
those wretched scum (pardon my Inglish) who have already commited no less
than 2 vile, disgusting, vindicative offenses against the Judge who has
done so much for all the citizens of our utopia!  Any more heaped on my
personal affairs which is not considered favorable by the judicial
authorities, and you shall be allowed to see how they really ought to have
listened to the Judge to the maximum extent of the guidelines (praise Fred
for them).  +1 Style because the Judge is merciful.  I hope no one changes
my mood.

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145:A PASSES
For: Don, Anton, Jesse, The Wizard
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The round begins!

The Judge.

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Rule Date: 2000-08-17 14:26:41 GMT

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Anton Cox wrote:

> My dear comrades, I do believe that the next Great Step Forward has
> just occured. How marvellous an honour it is to be able to convey to
> you the latest masterplan of our revered Leader!
>
> While any ordinary person would have to have had a pretty hearty meal
> of magic mushrooms to even consider for a moment the possibility that
> our society may contain members yet to be enlightened as to the true
> glories of our cause, our master strategist prepares for every
> eventuality.
>
> To this end, our Meticulous Judge has volunteered not only to serve
> double shifts in his exciting new job at the cutting edge of
> mineral science, but also to vet all posts by his fellow citizens.
>
> Any citizen who somehow lets their writings wander from the way of our
> Leader (as outlined in our public proclamations) will be alerted to the
> fact by the fine gift of a ruling other than VALID. Such citizens will
> then have the additional honour of demonstrating their loyalty to the
> cause by including in all future postings mention of another
> improvement in the workings of our society.
>
> Citizens with multiple such rulings will find additional opportunities
> to demonstrate their worth! However, I leave that particular piece of
> good news for another to enlarge upon...
>
> May all our thoughts be Fredful!
>
>     Citizen Blair
>
> --

> Rule Date: 2000-08-18 16:31:00 GMT

VALID.  +1 style for the very normal--yet glorious, perfect, majestic,
etc.--guideline (praise Our Great Cousin for the wonderful way in which
he allows us to use our creativity by living life under the madatorily
voluntary infinitely wise constraints on what those who valiantly
demonstrate by converse how Fred increases life expectancy would call
freedom but what we enlightened utopian citizens know is really an
invitation into even greater freedom, joy, and utter bliss of such
magnitude that our primitive anscestors (doubtless mythological) living
free of his rein could not even comprehend, or advance enough in truth
and insight to even want)!

The Judge

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"Richard S. Holmes" wrote:

> Cousin Fred in his great and much-deserved modesty wishes to recognize
> the contributions his peerless relatives have made to the success of
> his leadership.  He therefore requests all Citizens make mention of
> said relatives' achievements in any future missives.
>
> For example, it was Younger Half Brother Dref who so boldly handled the
> reassignment this morning of Colonel Radmere of Bungalow Security to an
> important new position with an office in the third subbasement of the
> Secret Service Convenience Center where he will be undergoing personal
> training with some of the Service's most talented instructors.  This
> promotion was in recognition of Radmere's work as Security Liaison with
> the Popular Front for the Happiness of Ingland, which in appreciation
> for Cousin Fred's 54 years of tireless service has begun a volunteer
> effort to renovate the Leader's 734-room Bungalow.  The project got off
> to a splendid start today with the rearrangement of most of the
> Bungalow's West Wing at around 3:30 am.  Our Leader was from all
> reports quite effusive in his appreciation of this surprise gift from
> his adoring Citizens.  Hats off to Younger Half Brother Dref for his
> prompt and efficient response!
>
> Yours in pleasant thinking,
>
> Citizen Crane
> Coordinator, PFHI
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-18 16:48:06 GMT

VALID.  +3 style for this masterpiece of praise and adoration and the
inevitable spread of glory from Our Great Cousin Fred to all those who
loyally serve him in every way.  Strictly speaking, it is logically
impossible, a contradiction in terms, derived from the most fundumental
axioms of mathematics and the laws of physics, biology, social science,
and psychology, to actually NOT obey and loyally serve Our Great Leader
The Most Noble And Modest Just Yet Forgiving Cousin Frederick Who Created
The Most Perfect (Yet Steadily Getting Even More Perfect) Utopia On Earth
And Whom All Citizens Cannot Help But Obey From The Shear Depths Of Their
Reflexive Love For Him, but some serve him EVEN MORE than this perfect
but automatic level and become even more perfect than they already were.
You see?  Your rule was so excellent I immediately went into rhapsodic
bliss oriented at Cousin Fred's supreme greatness.  Amazing.

The Judge

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Orjan Johansen wrote:

> I would like to thank our fairness-minded Judge, who alerted Cousin Fred
> to my recent very personal involvement in the Vacation Industry.  May your
> vacation continue to bring you interesting challenges, so that you may
> emerge radiating with new health and energy!
>
> Our gracious Leader was so satisfied with my work that I have now been
> promoted to Tourist Chief, and from my new office here in the splendid
> Sulphara desert (a place with such a perfect climate as to need no such
> appliances as air condition or heating) I now oversee the arrival of
> newcomers to this resort.
>
> This place is so famous for its effects on health that our Leader in his
> endless wisdom has decided that any citizen who indicates a desire for
> extra rest from eir work will be provided with a free vacation here!  So I
> should meet lots of interesting new people every day.
>
> It has been my great pleasure to meet Uncle Bob, the eminent scientific
> genius, who has designed this place and currently manages it from his
> underground quarters just a few hundred meters from here. He has informed
> me that Cousin Fred will be joining us for a spectacular firework show by
> the end of next week.
>
> Thanks to our beloved Leader, expecting a bright and shining future,
> T.C. Potemkin.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-19 16:53:06 GMT

VALID.  Apology accepted.  +1 Style.

The Judge

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Rule Date: 2000-08-19 17:30:57 GMT

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Ronald Kunne wrote:

> It was Cousin Orjan Johansen who contributed to our Glorious and ever
> Improving State of Ingland, by suggesting to Cousin Fred that every
> Citizen who issues a submission will be awarded the title of Cousin.
>
> Our Leader, in his Magnificent State of Wisdom, immediately saw the merits
> of this idea and adopted it fully as His Own.
>
> `Of course', Cousin Fred thought politically, `Cousins have to sign
> subsequent submissions by their Name and Titles and be addressed as such.'
>
> Hail to the Chief Cousin!
>
> Cousin Ronald Kunne
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-21 15:05:45 GMT

INVALID.  No mention of Cousin Fred's relatives achievments.  -1 for
presumptuously usurping our beloved Cousin's title, -1 again for being
inconsistant with the spirit of previous rules.  It is clear from them that
family titles are assigned to all of Cousin Fred's relatives.  One wonders
who the reference point is, though, that their relations are described
relative to.  It can't be Cousin Fred (unless someone can figure out how to
make himself his own cousin!).

The Wizard Judge

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Rule Date: 2000-08-21 15:13:21 GMT

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Ronald Kunne wrote:

> It was Cousin Fred's  Aunt Sissie who contributed to our Glorious and
> ever Improving State of Ingland, by suggesting to Cousin Fred that every
> Citizen who issues a submission will be awarded the title of Cushion.
>
> Our Leader, in his Magnificent State of Wisdom, immediately saw the
> merits of this idea and adopted it fully as His Own.
>
> `Of course', Cousin Fred thought politically, `Cushion have to sign
> subsequent submissions by their Name and Titles and be addressed as such.'
>
> Hail to the Chief Cousin!
>
> Cushion Ronald Kunne
>
> PS Kudos to the Honourific and Magnanimous Judge A.W. for bringing me back
> on the Right Path to Enlightment.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-21 15:31:19 GMT

VALID.  +1 Style (yes, flattery works).

The Wizard Judge.

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911 Relief wrote:

>  This message is to inform the consumer public about an amazing
> productthat has been in use for 8 years by private industry and
> government organizations.if you feel you have been spammed in any way
> please delete this message and accept our apologies,however if you
> have a need for first aid (which everyone does) please read on and
> follow the link provided.Try our amazing product! You won't be
> disappointed!Again we apologize for any inconvenience we may have
> caused you. Have you ever asked yourself the question "Is there a
> first aid product out therethat works, but is not oily, greasy or
> contains no alcohol ?" or "What can I useto relieve this sunburn pain
> NOW -?" or "Is there anything that will totally relieve thesemosquito
> bites NOW ?" click link for the answer and find out what over
> 1100school systems, over 700 county and city governments, state
> agencies, and over500 industries currently use for almost all of their
> first aid needs! This productwill replace many of the items in most
> first aid kits!The AnswerUse on: sunburns, insect bites and stings,
> jelly fish stings, 1st, 2nd, & 3rd degree burns, use on cutsand
> scrapes to kill germs and bacteria and many more! It really works
> fast! Stay at the beach longer!Keep your employees on the job! Make
> you outdoor activities more tolerrable! -- Rule Date: 2000-08-21
> 18:37:11 GMT

How amusing!  An evil spammer seems to have deigned to post a fantasy
rule in our nomic round.  How interesting that that they should choose
the round in which all submissions to the mailing list are regarded as
rules (there is, by the way, precedence for regarding the submission of
a rule as a request to join the committee).  Just in case the evil
spammers have any interest in how our longstanding and noble traditions
work, I am now checking this rule against all previous VALID rules
existing in this round.  Should it prove to be consistant with them, the
rule shall be VALID, but should it be inconsistant, it shall be INVALID.

1) This rule is required to be of polite or respectful conduct.  Now it
is true that spamming is very, very, very, rude.  On the other hand, the
text of this message is very, very, very, polite, no doubt in accordance
with some kind of misguided belief that this somehow counteracts the
extreme rudeness of spamming and interfering with a semi-private game
whose participants did not specifically ask to be distracted by those
with unholy commercial self-serving motives.  Yet the theme of this
round *is* "The Thought Police".  Has not the whole point been to do
horrible things to each other under the guise of extreme politeness and
respect?  I therefore think that this rule passes the "be of polite and
respectful conduct" test.

2) Does this rule use proper Inglish, which can only be used to
communicate in a "positive and constructive manner"? (whoops, better
slip into positive mode now myself) Well, there are words which might be
considered negative or unconstructive in other contexts, such as "pain"
and "germs".  But the positivity or negativity cannot consist in the
individual words.  To "relieve pain" is a positive and constructive
thing.  You see, while this rule contains that which our primitive
ancestors might have considered "bad", it only brings them up in the
context of removing them.  Two negatives make a positive.  Anyway, we
should no so much look to condemn (surely a negative word if I ever saw
one) negative words within the rule as evaluate the overall giddy
sensation produced by each phrase.  And this rule is masterful at
producing giddy sensations.  (Cushion Orjan, if your feelings of
unhappiness were magnified by this illusion of difference between my
treatment of your invalid rule and this rule, please meet me just
outside the Block 01027 Termination Center for a private heart-to-heart
talk about how this makes you feel).

3) Citizens may be disturbed by the absence of any of our great leader
Cousin Fred's most worthy relatives, despite the rule which stated that
some relative's achievements must be mentioned.  Let me look over the
rule again.  Oh!  I seem to have found a loophole!  Not that any
honorable citizens would stoop to using those, but for those who feed
their children by sending unsolicited email to our citizens, a stronger
word than "honorable" is required, so this shall be overlooked.  Anyway,
the guideline which Cousin Fred so nobly gave us lest we mislead
ourselves only asks that we mention a relative's achievement, not that
we necessarily state which of (or that a) relative did so.  So this rule
passes this test with flying colors as well.

4) Finally, the alternatively-moral processed meat fun senders have not
posted any previous submissions, so they have not yet graciously
recieved their title of "cushion" from Cousin Fred.  Thus they need not
use it.

VALID.

Style Award:
-3 for being Evil Spammers
+2 for humor
+2 for following theme
+2 for boundless enthusiasm (no doubt financially motivated: we should
start paying the Judge and the Wizard salaries and see if it improves
play quality).

Total Style: +3 (the maximum)

The Wizard Judge

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911 Relief wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>This message
is to inform the consumer public about an amazing product</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>that
has been in use for 8 years by private industry and government organizations.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>if
you feel you have been spammed in any way please delete this message and
accept our apologies,</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>however
if you have a need for first aid (which everyone does) please read on and
follow the link provided.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Try
our amazing product! You won't be disappointed!</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Again
we apologize for any inconvenience we may have caused you.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Have
you ever asked yourself the question "Is there a first aid product out
there</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>that works, but is
not oily, greasy or contains no alcohol ?" or "What can I use</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>to
relieve this sunburn pain NOW -?" or "Is there anything that will totally
relieve these</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>mosquito bites
NOW ?" click link for the answer and find out what over 1100</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>school
systems, over 700 county and city governments, state agencies, and over</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>500
industries currently use for almost all of their first aid needs! This
product</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>will replace many
of the items in most first aid kits!</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><a href="http://911relief.com">The
Answer</a></font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Use on: sunburns,
insect bites and stings, jelly fish stings, 1st, 2nd, &amp; 3rd degree
burns, use on cuts</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>and scrapes
to kill germs and bacteria and many more! It really works fast! Stay at
the beach longer!</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Keep your
employees on the job! Make you outdoor activities more tolerrable!</font></font>&nbsp;--
Rule Date: 2000-08-21 18:37:11 GMT</blockquote>
How amusing!&nbsp; An evil spammer seems to have deigned to post a fantasy
rule in our nomic round.&nbsp; How interesting that that they should choose
the round in which all submissions to the mailing list are regarded as
rules (there is, by the way, precedence for regarding the submission of
a rule as a request to join the committee).&nbsp; Just in case the evil
spammers have any interest in how our longstanding and noble traditions
work, I am now checking this rule against all previous VALID rules existing
in this round.&nbsp; Should it prove to be consistant with them, the rule
shall be VALID, but should it be inconsistant, it shall be INVALID.
<p>1) This rule is required to be of polite or respectful conduct.&nbsp;
Now it is true that spamming is very, very, very, rude.&nbsp; On the other
hand, the text of this message is very, very, very, polite, no doubt in
accordance with some kind of misguided belief that this somehow counteracts
the extreme rudeness of spamming and interfering with a semi-private game
whose participants did not specifically ask to be distracted by those with
unholy commercial self-serving motives.&nbsp; Yet the theme of this round
*is* "The Thought Police".&nbsp; Has not the whole point been to do horrible
things to each other under the guise of extreme politeness and respect?&nbsp;
I therefore think that this rule passes the "be of polite and respectful
conduct" test.
<p>2) Does this rule use proper Inglish, which can only be used to communicate
in a "positive and constructive manner"? (whoops, better slip into positive
mode now myself) Well, there are words which might be considered negative
or unconstructive in other contexts, such as "pain" and "germs".&nbsp;
But the positivity or negativity cannot consist in the individual words.&nbsp;
To "relieve pain" is a positive and constructive thing.&nbsp; You see,
while this rule contains that which our primitive ancestors might have
considered "bad", it only brings them up in the context of removing them.&nbsp;
Two negatives make a positive.&nbsp; Anyway, we should no so much look
to condemn&nbsp;(surely a negative word if I ever saw one) negative words
within the rule as evaluate the overall giddy sensation produced by each
phrase.&nbsp; And this rule is masterful at producing giddy sensations.&nbsp;
(Cushion Orjan, if your feelings of unhappiness were magnified by this
illusion of difference between my treatment of your invalid rule and this
rule, please meet me just outside the Block 01027 Termination Center for
a private heart-to-heart talk about how this makes you feel).
<p>3) Citizens may be disturbed by the absence of any of our great leader
Cousin Fred's most worthy relatives, despite the rule which stated that
some relative's achievements must be mentioned.&nbsp; Let me look over
the rule again.&nbsp; Oh!&nbsp; I seem to have found a loophole!&nbsp;
Not that any honorable citizens would stoop to using those, but for those
who feed their children by sending unsolicited email to our citizens, a
stronger word than "honorable" is required, so this shall be overlooked.&nbsp;
Anyway, the guideline which Cousin Fred so nobly gave us lest we mislead
ourselves only asks that we mention a relative's achievement, not that
we necessarily state which of (or that a) relative did so.&nbsp; So this
rule passes this test with flying colors as well.
<p>4) Finally, the alternatively-moral processed meat fun senders have
not posted any previous submissions, so they have not yet graciously recieved
their title of "cushion" from Cousin Fred.&nbsp; Thus they need not use
it.
<p>VALID.
<p>Style Award:
<br>-3 for being Evil Spammers
<br>+2 for humor
<br>+2 for following theme
<br>+2 for boundless enthusiasm (no doubt financially motivated: we should
start paying the Judge and the Wizard salaries and see if it improves play
quality).
<p>Total Style: +3 (the maximum)
<p>The Wizard Judge
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Aron Wall wrote:

> I recieved this rule in my private mailbox.  Since it was clearly intended to be
> a rule, I shall forward it to the list and then judge it.  (If this delay causes
> it to be inconsistant with other stuff I shall of course rule it UNSUCCESSFUL).
>
> The Judge
>

Good work!  I'll take over from here.

The Wizard

>
> Andre Engels wrote:
>
> > Aron Wall wrote:
> >
> > > INVALID.  No mention of Cousin Fred's relatives achievments.  -1 for
> > > presumptuously usurping our beloved Cousin's title, -1 again for being
> > > inconsistant with the spirit of previous rules.  It is clear from them that
> > > family titles are assigned to all of Cousin Fred's relatives.  One wonders
> > > who the reference point is, though, that their relations are described
> > > relative to.  It can't be Cousin Fred (unless someone can figure out how to
> > > make himself his own cousin!).
> >
> > I see one possibility to be one's own cousin: If one's father and mother
> > were brother and sister, then one's father is also one's uncle (and one's
> > mother one's aunt), so one is indeed in some sense one's own cousin.
> >
> > Whether this is the case with Cousin Fred I do not know [1], but I do know
> > that the sheer cleverness of this remark (it got me comparisons not only
> > with the judge but even with Cousin Fred's daughter who at her tender age
> > is already out of diapers) caused a celebration committee from the internal
> > peacekeeping unit to knock on my door and notify me that I have been chosen
> > for a free visit of 5 years to the paper mills in Far-Thickwoodistan!
> >
> > The climate here in Far-Thickwoodistan is wonderful, and the management
> > inspires us to work even harder than I did at home. I am also blessed with
> > the opportunity to find my own ways of entertaining myself (like watching
> > the management offering inspirement on the backs of my co-workers), and
> > thus am not influenced by any possibility of improvement in hapiness that
> > I might learn from through the media. Because of that, please send me
> > information on the ongoing status of our peacekeeping missions and other
> > foreign affairs. If not, the honourable Judge who has a more than average
> > degree of Fred-likeness will provide you with a clarification of your
> > possible improvements which will be even more valuable than the VALID
> > Judgement you otherwise might have gotten.
> >
> > All hail cousin Fred!
> >
> > 1: Although it would explain the large amount of Fred-like greatness that
> >    his grandfather has, who single-handedly (although with the help of our
> >    country's loyal and industrious farming population) caused our grain
> >    production to reach new heights, so that we now can export grain to
> >    allow our magnificent, artistic, beloved leader to extend his private
> >    art collection while still keeping the bread rations at a whole bread
> >    per person per week!
> >
> > --
> > Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl
> > telephone: +31-40-2474628 (work), +31-6-27174384 (mobile)
> > http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/index_en.html
> >
> > A child is not a glass that is filled, but a fire that is set ablaze.
> >                                                 - Maria Montessori
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-08-22 13:56:13 GMT

VALID.  +2 style, one for being the first rule to actually look vaugely like a
discussion forum by replying to one of my remarks, and another one for figuring out
some my puzzle about cousins.  Well done, Cushion.

The Wizard

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Round 146 starts!

The theme of this round will be 'Sex' (Hey, it works for television channels,
who knows what it might do for the FRC?).

The round will start when one of the Co-Wizards Richard S. Holmes and
911 Relief posts the first round, or 48 hours exactly after the Rule date
of this message, whichever comes first.


-- 
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A child is not a glass that is filled, but a fire that is set ablaze.
						- Maria Montessori

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Rule Date: 2000-08-30 11:13:26 GMT

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Rule 146:1, by Richard S. Holmes, 2000-08-30 14:08:12

***

You're either male or female, you know.  Or znotz.  In any case, you
should let people know the first time you say anything, just to avoid
confusion.  Unless you're znotz, of course, in which case you'll lie
and say you're male, or female.  Me, I'm male.

***

Validity: No problems. VALID
Style: Nothing spectacular, but an ok rule. +1

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A child is not a glass that is filled, but a fire that is set ablaze.
						- Maria Montessori

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Rule Date: 2000-08-30 14:37:04 GMT

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Rule 146:2, by Ronald Kunne, Rule Date 2000-08-30 15:52:47 GMT

>>>>>
When two different genders mate, their off-spring is
the third gender. 
(When three different genders mate, it's called Nirwana.
But that's a completely different story -and rule!)
 
No two following rules can be written by persons
of the same gender.

I am znotz. 
>>>>>

VALIDITY: A znotz is allowed to tell the truth, and Ronald is not
 necessarily of the same gender as Richard.
STYLE: A logical addition to the round and a good rule. No substraction
 for the backdoors that are left open, as those might well have been on
 purpose.

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Rule Date: 2000-08-30 17:53:31 GMT

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Richard S. Holmes wrote:

> 146:1 says:
> 
>   Unless you're znotz, of course, in which case you'll lie
>   and say you're male, or female.
> 
> I *thought* I was disallowing the possibility that a znotz could say
> "I am znotz".  Thus I expected this rule to be invalid.
> 
> Care to set me straight?  Thanks...

No, I don't set you straight, you set me straight. I just had misremembered
your rule. I thought it said "you may lie" rather than "you'll lie", in
which case Ronald's rule would have been valid (and shown that you're
not znotz). As it is, I can only agree with you.

The Judgement of Rule 146:2 is hereby changed to INVALID. The style points
remain as they were (+2). With my apologies.


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						- Maria Montessori

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Rule Date: 2000-08-30 19:27:26 GMT

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Rule 146:3 by Chuck, Rule Date 2000-08-30 21:55:33 GMT

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Peeps (the beings discussed in this round, scientific name
Fanto rehobilis caliensis) can mate in groups of two or more.
The gender of the offspring of a mating group is determined
by the number of each gender present in the mating group,
as follows:

* If all three genders are present in equal numbers, the offspring
  may be of any gender.

* If two genders are present in equal numbers, and the third in
  either a greater or lesser number, the offspring will be of the
  gender which is present in an unequal number.

* If the number of each of the three genders differs, the offspring
  will be of the gender which has the median number of peeps present.

It is also to be noted that znotzes are an exceptionally devious
bunch; a znotz claiming to be male or female will have the
physical appearance of a male or female, respectively.  Even a
znotz's mating partners may not know that e is not what e claims
to be, although the careful observer will note that conclusions
can sometimes be drawn from the offspring of a mating group.

I am male.

----------

VALIDITY: No problems.
STYLE: Some off for partly re-iterating Ronald's ideas (even if only the
 idea of the gender of offspring being important), but some bonus for closing
 the holes he would have left behind. Interesting, logical Rule. +1.

Andre

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Rule 146:4 by Luk Vandelaer, Rule Date: 2000-08-31 10:09:52 GMT

--- 146:4 ---
The peeps are very social, they form mating groups whenever they can. Once in
such a group, they are not able to leave it at free will, but they can be
rejected by all other members of the group, or can be pulled out to form a new
mating group.

All future rules from a peep whithout mating group will include which mating
group e joins, or with which peep e starts a new mating group.

I am a female joining the mating group of Chuck.

------

VALIDITY: Making Valid Rules still is easy, and this one does not fall foul
 (it seems). VALID
STYLE: Not a bad Rule, but nothing exciting either (not even with all the
 mating going on). +0.5 Style.


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Rule 146:5, by Richard S. Holmes, Rule Date 2000-08-31 17:36:21 GMT

--- 146:5 ---

I walk into the smoky bar and look around as my eyes adjust.  It's the
usual -- crowded, mostly with losers -- male peeps in garish purple
globba suits, females in tight see-through scrabbs, and znotz peeps
in... well, garish purple globba suits and tight see-through scrabbs,
I guess.

Then I see her.  The most stunningly beautiful female peep I've ever
laid eyes on.  Alone in a corner with her drink, watching the room, a
mysterious smile on her face...

Or she could be a znotz passing for female, I suppose.  One so seldom
knows, I have to remind myself what the pronouns for a known znotz
are... "Ze asked me to dance"... "I danced with zir"... "We went to
zis room"... all future rules, I tell myself, should use the correct
pronouns when dealing with known znotzes.

I go to her table and introduce myself.  Her name is Andrea, and she
claims, of course, to be female.  She has no mating group, so she and
I start one.


-- Rich

VALIDITY: Rich already told his gender, now tells the mating group he
 starts, he (or ze) does not mention any offspring, nor any known
 znotzes. VALID
STYLE: Little to say about it, but certainly positive. +1


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Rule 146:6 by Nicholson Neisler, Rule Date 2000-09-02 18:43:17 GMT

===

Being a peep accountant ain't easy.  Long hours, difficult situations,
and all the paperwork. It's almost as hard as being a znotz hunter but
someone has to keep track of mating groups.  Purely for tax reasons of
course.  Good organization makes things easier, so all groups are named
by the first letter of all the known members in the group, in
alphabetical order.  The two groups Zi've been checking out, Zi mean,
preparing paperwork on so far are the "CL" group and the "AR" group.

Zi just noticed that Rich and Luk had a peepoy. (That's what baby male
peeps are called).  That would be a great tax break, but it might be a
znotzling for all Zi know.  Zi think Zi'll join that group.

Zi'm either male or female.  That's all Zi can say due to client
confidentiality.

===

VALIDITY: Rich and Luk do not form a mating group at the moment, thus
 you cannot join that group either.
STYLE: Feels too much like searching loopholes just for the fun of it,
 rather than to really be able to do something. I have no idea what to
 do with you 'Zi', and it is also vague whether your claim to be either
 male or female could be made by a Znotz or not. Your story seems much
 ado about nothing.
 On the plus-side there is the start of some web of dependancies regarding
 who is znotz and who is not(z). But despite that, I'll still give this
 Rule -0.5.

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The first week of Round 146 is almost over, new entries have only about
one hour left to post Rules.

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			Eligible until			Style
Richard S. Holmes	Thu, 7 Sep 2000, 17:36:21	+2
Luk Vandelaer		Thu, 7 Sep 2000, 10:09:52	+0.5
Chuck			Wed, 6 Sep 2000, 21:55:33	+1
Others			Wed, 6 Sep 2000, 14:08:12	 0
Ronald Kunne		*** not Eligible ***		+2
Nicholson Neisner	*** not Eligible ***		-0.5

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Rule 146:1 (Richard S. Holmes, VALID, +1)

You're either male or female, you know.  Or znotz.  In any case, you
should let people know the first time you say anything, just to avoid
confusion.  Unless you're znotz, of course, in which case you'll lie
and say you're male, or female.  Me, I'm male.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Rule 146:2 (Ronald Kunne, INVALID, +2)

When two different genders mate, their off-spring is
the third gender. 
(When three different genders mate, it's called Nirwana.
But that's a completely different story -and rule!)
 
No two following rules can be written by persons
of the same gender.

I am znotz. 

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Rule 146:3 (Chuck, VALID, +1)

Peeps (the beings discussed in this round, scientific name
Fanto rehobilis caliensis) can mate in groups of two or more.
The gender of the offspring of a mating group is determined
by the number of each gender present in the mating group,
as follows:

* If all three genders are present in equal numbers, the offspring
  may be of any gender.

* If two genders are present in equal numbers, and the third in
  either a greater or lesser number, the offspring will be of the
  gender which is present in an unequal number.

* If the number of each of the three genders differs, the offspring
  will be of the gender which has the median number of peeps present.

It is also to be noted that znotzes are an exceptionally devious
bunch; a znotz claiming to be male or female will have the
physical appearance of a male or female, respectively.  Even a
znotz's mating partners may not know that e is not what e claims
to be, although the careful observer will note that conclusions
can sometimes be drawn from the offspring of a mating group.

I am male.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Rule 146:4 (Luk Vandelaer, VALID, +0.5)

The peeps are very social, they form mating groups whenever they can. Once in
such a group, they are not able to leave it at free will, but they can be
rejected by all other members of the group, or can be pulled out to form a new
mating group.

All future rules from a peep whithout mating group will include which mating
group e joins, or with which peep e starts a new mating group.

I am a female joining the mating group of Chuck.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Rule 146:5 (Richard S. Holmes, VALID, +1)

I walk into the smoky bar and look around as my eyes adjust.  It's the
usual -- crowded, mostly with losers -- male peeps in garish purple
globba suits, females in tight see-through scrabbs, and znotz peeps
in... well, garish purple globba suits and tight see-through scrabbs,
I guess.

Then I see her.  The most stunningly beautiful female peep I've ever
laid eyes on.  Alone in a corner with her drink, watching the room, a
mysterious smile on her face...

Or she could be a znotz passing for female, I suppose.  One so seldom
knows, I have to remind myself what the pronouns for a known znotz
are... "Ze asked me to dance"... "I danced with zir"... "We went to
zis room"... all future rules, I tell myself, should use the correct
pronouns when dealing with known znotzes.

I go to her table and introduce myself.  Her name is Andrea, and she
claims, of course, to be female.  She has no mating group, so she and
I start one.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Rule 146:6 (Nicholson Neisner, INVALID, -0.5)

Being a peep accountant ain't easy.  Long hours, difficult situations,
and all the paperwork. It's almost as hard as being a znotz hunter but
someone has to keep track of mating groups.  Purely for tax reasons of
course.  Good organization makes things easier, so all groups are named
by the first letter of all the known members in the group, in
alphabetical order.  The two groups Zi've been checking out, Zi mean,
preparing paperwork on so far are the "CL" group and the "AR" group.

Zi just noticed that Rich and Luk had a peepoy. (That's what baby male
peeps are called).  That would be a great tax break, but it might be a
znotzling for all Zi know.  Zi think Zi'll join that group.

Zi'm either male or female.  That's all Zi can say due to client
confidentiality.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Rule Date: 2000-09-06 11:14:49 GMT

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Rule 146:7, by Luk Vandelaer, Rule Date 2000-09-06, 13:26:58 GMT

--- 146:7 ---
A child is mysteriously 'born' in the midst of the group, when the
members of a mating group come together. Or we have to say, when they are drawn
together. (All future rules will have a sexual act of the mating group
of the rule's writer notified)

The peep sexuologists have always wondered why the mating groups are so
exhausted from the sexual act, that they (including the child) can't say
anything unless another rule has been posted.

After thinking this over, I invited my mating group for a discussion over it,
and it didn't stay by a discussion, it was almost a furious battle that
concluded in a comforting night in bed.

------

VALIDITY: When the members of a mating group come together, a child is
 'born', this rule says. From this, I conclude that the 'coming together'
 is a sexual act. Thus, after coming together, the members of the mating
 group can't say anything. Thus, Luk cannot have a discussion with his
 mating group, because when they are together they cannot say anything.
STYLE: Rather uninteresting way of making a child, also not exciting
 otherwise. -0.5.

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And there I had completely forgotten to announce the end of Round 146...
Well, it ended almost two weeks ago. Richard S. Holmes is the winner, and
the Judge for the next round. The Judge and Ronald Kunne are co-wizzards.

======================================================================

146:1	Richard S. Holmes	VALID	+1
146:2	Ronald Kunne		INVALID	+2
146:3	Chuck			VALID	+1
146:4	Luk Vandelaer		VALID	+0.5
146:5	Richard S. Holmes	VALID	+1
146:6	Nicholson Neisler	INVALID	-0.5
146:7	Luk Vandelaer		INVALID	-0.5

======================================================================

Rule 146:1, by Richard S. Holmes, 2000-08-30 14:08:12

***

You're either male or female, you know.  Or znotz.  In any case, you
should let people know the first time you say anything, just to avoid
confusion.  Unless you're znotz, of course, in which case you'll lie
and say you're male, or female.  Me, I'm male.

***

Validity: No problems. VALID
Style: Nothing spectacular, but an ok rule. +1

======================================================================

Rule 146:2, by Ronald Kunne, Rule Date 2000-08-30 15:52:47 GMT

>>>>>
When two different genders mate, their off-spring is
the third gender. 
(When three different genders mate, it's called Nirwana.
But that's a completely different story -and rule!)
 
No two following rules can be written by persons
of the same gender.

I am znotz. 
>>>>>

VALIDITY: A znotz is allowed to tell the truth, and Ronald is not
 necessarily of the same gender as Richard.
STYLE: A logical addition to the round and a good rule. No substraction
 for the backdoors that are left open, as those might well have been on
 purpose.
(VALIDITY later changed to INVALID by the Judge)

======================================================================

Rule 146:3 by Chuck, Rule Date 2000-08-30 21:55:33 GMT

----------

Peeps (the beings discussed in this round, scientific name
Fanto rehobilis caliensis) can mate in groups of two or more.
The gender of the offspring of a mating group is determined
by the number of each gender present in the mating group,
as follows:

* If all three genders are present in equal numbers, the offspring
  may be of any gender.

* If two genders are present in equal numbers, and the third in
  either a greater or lesser number, the offspring will be of the
  gender which is present in an unequal number.

* If the number of each of the three genders differs, the offspring
  will be of the gender which has the median number of peeps present.

It is also to be noted that znotzes are an exceptionally devious
bunch; a znotz claiming to be male or female will have the
physical appearance of a male or female, respectively.  Even a
znotz's mating partners may not know that e is not what e claims
to be, although the careful observer will note that conclusions
can sometimes be drawn from the offspring of a mating group.

I am male.

----------

VALIDITY: No problems.
STYLE: Some off for partly re-iterating Ronald's ideas (even if only the
 idea of the gender of offspring being important), but some bonus for closing
 the holes he would have left behind. Interesting, logical Rule. +1.

======================================================================

Rule 146:4 by Luk Vandelaer, Rule Date: 2000-08-31 10:09:52 GMT

--- 146:4 ---
The peeps are very social, they form mating groups whenever they can. Once in
such a group, they are not able to leave it at free will, but they can be
rejected by all other members of the group, or can be pulled out to form a new
mating group.

All future rules from a peep whithout mating group will include which mating
group e joins, or with which peep e starts a new mating group.

I am a female joining the mating group of Chuck.

------

VALIDITY: Making Valid Rules still is easy, and this one does not fall foul
 (it seems). VALID
STYLE: Not a bad Rule, but nothing exciting either (not even with all the
 mating going on). +0.5 Style.

======================================================================

Rule 146:5, by Richard S. Holmes, Rule Date 2000-08-31 17:36:21 GMT

--- 146:5 ---

I walk into the smoky bar and look around as my eyes adjust.  It's the
usual -- crowded, mostly with losers -- male peeps in garish purple
globba suits, females in tight see-through scrabbs, and znotz peeps
in... well, garish purple globba suits and tight see-through scrabbs,
I guess.

Then I see her.  The most stunningly beautiful female peep I've ever
laid eyes on.  Alone in a corner with her drink, watching the room, a
mysterious smile on her face...

Or she could be a znotz passing for female, I suppose.  One so seldom
knows, I have to remind myself what the pronouns for a known znotz
are... "Ze asked me to dance"... "I danced with zir"... "We went to
zis room"... all future rules, I tell myself, should use the correct
pronouns when dealing with known znotzes.

I go to her table and introduce myself.  Her name is Andrea, and she
claims, of course, to be female.  She has no mating group, so she and
I start one.


-- Rich

VALIDITY: Rich already told his gender, now tells the mating group he
 starts, he (or ze) does not mention any offspring, nor any known
 znotzes. VALID
STYLE: Little to say about it, but certainly positive. +1

======================================================================

Rule 146:6 by Nicholson Neisler, Rule Date 2000-09-02 18:43:17 GMT

===

Being a peep accountant ain't easy.  Long hours, difficult situations,
and all the paperwork. It's almost as hard as being a znotz hunter but
someone has to keep track of mating groups.  Purely for tax reasons of
course.  Good organization makes things easier, so all groups are named
by the first letter of all the known members in the group, in
alphabetical order.  The two groups Zi've been checking out, Zi mean,
preparing paperwork on so far are the "CL" group and the "AR" group.

Zi just noticed that Rich and Luk had a peepoy. (That's what baby male
peeps are called).  That would be a great tax break, but it might be a
znotzling for all Zi know.  Zi think Zi'll join that group.

Zi'm either male or female.  That's all Zi can say due to client
confidentiality.

===

VALIDITY: Rich and Luk do not form a mating group at the moment, thus
 you cannot join that group either.
STYLE: Feels too much like searching loopholes just for the fun of it,
 rather than to really be able to do something. I have no idea what to
 do with you 'Zi', and it is also vague whether your claim to be either
 male or female could be made by a Znotz or not. Your story seems much
 ado about nothing.
 On the plus-side there is the start of some web of dependancies regarding
 who is znotz and who is not(z). But despite that, I'll still give this
 Rule -0.5.

======================================================================

Rule 146:7, by Luk Vandelaer, Rule Date 2000-09-06, 13:26:58 GMT

--- 146:7 ---
A child is mysteriously 'born' in the midst of the group, when the
members of a mating group come together. Or we have to say, when they are drawn
together. (All future rules will have a sexual act of the mating group
of the rule's writer notified)

The peep sexuologists have always wondered why the mating groups are so
exhausted from the sexual act, that they (including the child) can't say
anything unless another rule has been posted.

After thinking this over, I invited my mating group for a discussion over it,
and it didn't stay by a discussion, it was almost a furious battle that
concluded in a comforting night in bed.

------

VALIDITY: When the members of a mating group come together, a child is
 'born', this rule says. From this, I conclude that the 'coming together'
 is a sexual act. Thus, after coming together, the members of the mating
 group can't say anything. Thus, Luk cannot have a discussion with his
 mating group, because when they are together they cannot say anything.
STYLE: Rather uninteresting way of making a child, also not exciting
 otherwise. -0.5.

======================================================================

-- 
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From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Date: 22 Sep 2000 22:38:35 -0400
In-Reply-To: Ronald Kunne's message of "Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:53:10 +0200 (MET DST)"
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Ronald Kunne <kunne@ipno.in2p3.fr> writes:

> >>>>>>
> In every rule a new word has to be replaced by the word 'spam'.
> Spam rules must also replace this word, or be invalid.
> >>>>>>
[...]
> -- 
> Rule Date: 2000-09-22 22:53:44 GMT
> 

VALIDITY: Ambiguous you want, and ambiguous you've got.  Is there a
particular word Mr. Kunne has in mind for which he has substituted
"spam" and for which all rules to which the second sentence of this
rule applies (its application set) also must substitute "spam"?  But
then the Judge, who does not know the word, cannot judge the validity
of such rules.  A rule cannot prevent the Judge from doing his job, so
that can't be the case.  In fact, the Judge must know what the word is
-- and since it could be "all", "future", "valid", "scatalogical", or
basically any adjective one could apply to a rule, the only way the
Judge can know what the word is is to decide what the word is.  Then
there's no problem, and this rule is VALID.

STYLE: Valid it may be, but it's a pain in the butt.  Only the Judge
knows what Mr. Kunne's "spam" means, and everyone else, Mr. Kunne
included, will have to guess as to what word they can't use.  Worse
yet, the word defines the application set of the second sentence of
this rule, which means no one but the Judge knows in which rules they
can't use it.  And as more and more words get spamified, the game will
rapidly deteriorate into ambiguous unplayability and grind to an
unpleasant halt.

Unless of course, the Judge were to mention that "spam" here means
"verbless" (meaning, not having any verbs).  Mr. Kunne probably didn't
intend such a development.  But maybe he did.  It's ambiguous.

As might be guessed, I find ambiguous restrictions highly unstylish,
and introducing them in the first rule makes it even worse.  The rule
is short and technically sticks to the theme, so it's not without
redeeming qualities, but even so, -1.5 is about as generous an award
as I can manage.

-- 
- Rich Holmes
  Syracuse, NY

-- 
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Date: 22 Sep 2000 22:56:02 -0400
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Aron Wall <aron@wall.org> writes:

> 147:2
> >>>>>
> If, by spam,you in any way feel spammed by this spam, please spam it and
> accept our sincere spam.
> 
> At Gigiplex Corporation, we make spam filters!  Our top engineers went
> UNDERCOVER for THREE YEARS to design this system!  It LEARNS from its
> mistakes!!!!!!!  If a spam which is clearly designed to be spam gets by
> the spam filter (i.e. is VALID), the spam filter will CREATE a new
> criterion to INVALIDATE that sort of spam in the future!  For example,
> if it recieved this spam it might put spams with exclamation points into
> its filter!  The new spam-sign will be appended onto the spam after a
> row of dashes in a message detailing the modified spam filter rules!
> 
> This service is ABSOLUTELY FREE for the FIRST SIX MONTHS!!!!!
> Afterwards you will recieve a spam asking you if you wish to continue
> this service.
> 
> YOU MAY ALREADY be signed up for this service!  Just ask your local
> Judge.  If this spam is spammed VALID, it will filter all spam after
> this one!
> >>>>>
> 
> Aron Wall
> 
> -- 
> Rule Date: 2000-09-22 23:14:21 GMT
> 

VALIDITY: Consistent with the first restriction of 147:1, and it
contains verbs, so the second restriction of 147:1 does not apply.
Spam filter says NOT SPAM (VALID).

STYLE: I'm frankly a little bewildered by the meaning of "The new
spam-sign will be appended onto the spam after a row of dashes in a
message detailing the modified spam filter rules!"  I'm not sure what
a spam-sign is, what the "message" is, or even who or what is supposed
to do the appending -- passive voice is very unstylish in a rule.  I
interpret as follows: The spam filter (i.e. the judge) will, in the
message declaring a rule NOT SPAM (VALID) will pick out a feature of
the rule which future rules must avoid or be declared SPAM (INVALID).
That ambiguity costs Mr. Wall style points, offsetting his highly
accurate spam impersonation.  0.5.

---------

Spam filter modification: "receive" must be spelled correctly.

-- 
- Rich Holmes
  Syracuse, NY

-- 
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From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Date: 22 Sep 2000 23:05:36 -0400
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"Garth A. Rose" <grose12@juno.com> writes:

> GET RICH QUICK!
> 
> Could you do with an extra style point?  How about *two* extra style
> points?  Dare I ask about THREE?
> 
> Well, my friend, that stylishness can be YOURS, with just a little help
> from me.
> 
> With the techniques I detail in my book (just send $19.95 in cash to PO
> Box 666, Death Valley, CA) I gained DOZENS of style points, round after
> round after round!  In my very first spam using them, I gained the
> maximum of THREE style points, and it hasn't stopped rolling in since!
> 
> Here's just a few little samples of the concentrated wisdom my book has
> to offer:
> 
> * Craft your spam to resemble a classically annoying spam message, like
> this spam!  It's the theme!
> 
> * Put an identifying title for your spam in the subject header, just as I
> did!
> 
> * Include a testimonial as to how much my book, _Style for the Benighted
> Masses_, has helped you!
>    After all, I *wrote* the thing, and it's helped me immensely in bilk-
> er, helping people like you!
> 
> WOW!  Just imagine the style points you'll receive!  Don't delay!  Act
> NOW!!!!
> 
> P.S.  All spams after this spam must follow the wonderful wisdom of my
> book, as listed above.
> 
> ------------------
[...]
> 
> Garth
> 
> -- 
> Rule Date: 2000-09-22 23:36:05 GMT
> 

VALIDITY: "In my very first spam using them, I gained the maximum of
THREE style points" -- 147:3 is Mr. Rose's very first spam using the
techniques from his book, and could not possibly have received 3 style
points, since it very unstylishly tried to dictate how many style
points it would receive.  SPAM.

STYLE: Besides that, imposing three restrictions in one early rule is
a bit much.  Good parody of "Make Money Fast", though.  Add a point
for being the first to put my name in the subject line.  +0.5.

-- 
- Rich Holmes
  Syracuse, NY

-- 
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From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Date: 22 Sep 2000 23:09:27 -0400
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Ronald Kunne <kunne@ipno.in2p3.fr> writes:

> >>>>>>
> In every rule a new word has to be replaced by the word 'spam'.
> Spam rules must also replace this word, or be invalid.
> >>>>>>
[...]
> -- 
> Rule Date: 2000-09-22 22:53:44 GMT
> 

VALIDITY: Ambiguous you want, and ambiguous you've got.  Is there a
particular word Mr. Kunne has in mind for which he has substituted
"spam" and for which all rules to which the second sentence of this
rule applies (its application set) also must substitute "spam"?  But
then the Judge, who does not know the word, cannot judge the validity
of such rules.  A rule cannot prevent the Judge from doing his job, so
that can't be the case.  In fact, the Judge must know what the word is
-- and since it could be "all", "future", "valid", "scatalogical", or
basically any adjective one could apply to a rule, the only way the
Judge can know what the word is is to decide what the word is.  Then
there's no problem, and this rule is VALID.

STYLE: Valid it may be, but it's a pain in the butt.  Only the Judge
knows what Mr. Kunne's "spam" means, and everyone else, Mr. Kunne
included, will have to guess as to what word they can't use.  Worse
yet, the word defines the application set of the second sentence of
this rule, which means no one but the Judge knows in which rules they
can't use it.  And as more and more words get spamified, the game will
rapidly deteriorate into ambiguous unplayability and grind to an
unpleasant halt.

Unless of course, the Judge were to mention that "spam" here means
"verbless" (meaning, not having any verbs).  Mr. Kunne probably didn't
intend such a development.  But maybe he did.  It's ambiguous.

As might be guessed, I find ambiguous restrictions highly unstylish,
and introducing them in the first rule makes it even worse.  The rule
is short and technically sticks to the theme, so it's not without
redeeming qualities, but even so, -1.5 is about as generous an award
as I can manage.

-- 
- Rich Holmes
  Syracuse, NY

-- 
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From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 10:50:52 -0400
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"Garth A. Rose" <grose12@juno.com> writes:

> P.S.  I have to say that I also disagree with your statement that the
> Judge has to arbitrarily decide on what each 'spammed' word means.  I
> think it is clear FRC tradition that any rule that can be reasonably
> interpreted as VALID, is in fact VALID.  Not only traditional, but it
> seems to be the intent of the RO's to boot - after all, you can't
> reasonably call something inconsistent if there's an untortured
> interpretation that would make it consistent.

Well, that makes two of you.  Therefore, I hereby withdraw my
judgements of Rules 147:1-3 and resign the Judgeship in favor of the
first person to volunteer.  I seem not to be qualified by reason of
inexperience, and in any case, I have no desire to try to judge (or
play) a round with the kind of ambiguous restrictions 147:1 imposes.

Perhaps a more sane way of determining the judge of a new round should
be tried.

-- 
- Rich Holmes
  Syracuse, NY

-- 
Rule Date: 2000-09-25 14:50:59 GMT

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Subject: Re: Judge resigns (was Re: 147:3 - Get Rich Quick! SPAM 0.5)
References: <200009251511.e8PFBkH00781@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl>
From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 11:13:21 -0400
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Andre Engels <engels@win.tue.nl> writes:

> Richard S. Holmes wrote:
> 
> > Well, that makes two of you.  Therefore, I hereby withdraw my
> > judgements of Rules 147:1-3 and resign the Judgeship in favor of the
> > first person to volunteer.  I seem not to be qualified by reason of
> > inexperience, and in any case, I have no desire to try to judge (or
> > play) a round with the kind of ambiguous restrictions 147:1 imposes.
> 
> I volunteer.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl
> http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/index_en.html
> 
> If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise,
> we don't believe in it at all			-- Noam Chomsky
> 

Go ahead.

-- 
- Rich Holmes
  Syracuse, NY

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From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (Richard S. Holmes)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 12:17:37 -0400
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Andre Engels has agreed to take over as Judge for Round 147.

Thanks for the encouragement, but I feel my knowledge of FRC is
insufficient for me to act as Judge of a round like this.  What I'm
hearing is that that means I shouldn't participate as a player in FRC
either.  Presumably this means I should sit through more rounds as an
observer than I have to date.  I can live with that.

-- 
- Rich Holmes
  Syracuse, NY

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"Richard S. Holmes" wrote:

> We're building a world, and its name is Cyrus.
>
> (I've always wanted to name a planet after my cat.)
>
> Cyrus is 5000 km in radius.  It revolves once around its sun in 1000
> days -- not that that matters much, Cyrus being hollow with all its
> biosphere living on the inside.  There is of course no net
> gravitational force inside Cyrus, but the planet rotates once in 1.2
> hours, producing just about 1 g centrifugal force (outward) at the
> equator.
>
> All geographic features of Cyrus are named after cats.  One such
> feature is Lake Morris, which is 25 km long and as much as 150 meters
> deep, but only 35 meters wide.  All rules will describe a remarkable
> geographic feature of Cyrus.
>
> --
> - Rich Holmes
>   Syracuse, NY
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-10-04 14:19:03 GMT

VALID.
+2 for creativity and starting out the round well.  In a round like
this, the best restrictions are descriptive ones that talk about the
world, not rules.  But this rule and the next one are fine.

The Cowizard Judge

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Aron Wall wrote:

> Great Guru wrote:
>
> > Of course, living inside a planet has several problems. For one, the
> > darkness is almost all encompassing. Luckily, Sylvester Spire, a huge
> > cylindrical mountain 2500km high, yet only 100km wide, is positioned on the
> > opposite side of the planet from Lake Morris. The Spire is made up almost
> > entirely of radioactive material which provides needed heat and light
> > throughout Cyrus.
> >
> > Now, while future rules will tell us how different species in Cyrus have
> > adapted to survive this environment, it should be noted that none of them
> > live within 100 km of the spire itself.
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________________
>
> VALID.  0 Because of some things about Sylvester Spire that badly want
> explanation (e.g. why isn't it an enormous nuclear bomb?)
>
> The Co-wizard Judge

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Ronald Kunne wrote:

> >>>>>>
> Quite a few species evolved into flying creatures.
>
> The Aronius Wallipurnus is seen mostly close to and
> inside the Greater Felix Canyon. This geographical
> absurdity looks four parallel scratches left on the
> ground by a giant cat. A. Wallipurnus uses his thin
> membrane-like wings to fly in the air currents
> created by the cold air inside the Canyon.
>
> A. Wallipurnus is the biggest hunter of Cyrus.
> Following rules shall describe another species
> appearing in its food chain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Validity: Verily

Style: Ummm... I'm very flattered.  No style points.  This rule doesn't
really do anything for me, but it doesn't hurt either.

The Judge

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Rule Date: 2000-10-07 19:33:41 GMT

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Orjan Johansen wrote:

> >>>>
> Clearly Cyrus was designed by an intelligent being, and somehow around
> the theme of cats.  Such hints as the constant red glow, which would
> provide too little light for human comfort but actually would deplore
> any cats from their much beloved nights (except in the shadow of the
> 25 km tall Mephistopheles mountain range, where they would instead be
> exposed to constant freezing temperatures), shows that this being was
> indeed guided by a fanatic hatred of the cat species.
>
> Fortunately, the domestic cats from which all animals on Cyrus descend
> have long since (and, ironically, helped by the radioactivity) evolved
> into all kinds of new thriving species.  The closest resemblance to
> the ancestor is found in the small, burrowing Smellycat, which happens
> to be the A. Wallipurnus' least favorite prey, eaten only in times of
> famine.
> >>>>
>
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-10-11 09:58:40 GMT

Validity:  VALID
Style: Remember the moral of Schrodinger's cat?  Cruelty to animals is
not acceptable even as a thought experiment.  0 Style.  Nothing has
really livened up this round so far, and I don't think
this rule is likely to help.

The Judge

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Rule Date: 2000-10-11 23:00:38 GMT

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Orjan Johansen wrote:

> More than a week has passed since I posted the last Rule, so I believe
> Round 148 has certainly ended, that I am the new Judge and that Rich
> Holmes is the Wizard for Round 149.
>
> Taking a look at today's date, I propose the theme:
>
> "The United Nations"
>
> The Round will start when the Wizard posts a Rule, or at 25 Oct 2000
> 16:00:00 GMT, whichever is sooner.
>
> Greetings,
> Judge Ørjan.
>
> --
> Rule Date: 2000-10-24 04:31:47 GMT

The Judge of the previous round certifies these results as being correct
(I should have posted something earlier).

Aron Wall

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On 24 Oct 2000, Richard S. Holmes wrote:

> Nations of the world, unite!
> 
> Thailand and Australia announce that they are uniting to form a single
> country, to be known as Austhailia.  A craze in gourmet restaurants
> for curried wallaby ensues.
> 
> Future rules will mention a pair of countries that merge, the name of
> the merged country, and a consequence of the merger.

A nice short first Rule twisting the theme.

VALID.  +1.5 style.

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Gallivanting Tripper wrote:

> Austhailian Financial Review, 25/10/00
> 
> In what it described as a "response to the perceived globalisation of 
> Austhailian cuisine", the Austhailian McDonalds conglomerate declared their 
> independence from the new country, claiming tax-free status for its 
> restaurants.  News that the conglomerate had also bought the island nation 
> of Macau and declared the federal republic of McAu, has prompted the 
> Secretary-General of the United Nations to express concern about the 
> McDonaldisation of the South Pacific.
> 
> As political instability continues to spread like a plague of cliches, 
> future rules must mention the breakup of a nation previously described in a 
> Fantasy Rule.   -AAP

VALID.  +1 style.

> --------------
> 
> I guess this also represents my expression of interest to join the mighty 
> FRC.

Welcome!

Greetings,
Judge Ørjan.

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