AFwd: rule 234:1 INVALID +0.4 StyleA

From: Aron Wall (aron_at_wall.org)
Date: Tue Mar 29 2005 - 10:51:58 PST


Aron Wall wrote:

> Rich Holmes wrote:
>
> > Aron Wall <aron_at_wall.org> writes:
> >
> > > 1) The first sentence clearly implies that the TVRotR will exist.  Now, there
> > > is an argument that this is contrary to the RO's.  For it might well be that
> > > despite being the theme, the TVRotR is never written.  That would leave the
> > > statement as being untrue, and the untruth of the statement would follow from
> > > the RO's, as acting upon the specific circumstance.  I will not however take
> > > this interpretation, because:
> > > a) the RO's do allow the TVRotR to exist, and in this respect it is
> > > consistent.  Even if it makes a false statement about the round, this concerns
> > > future rules, while it is only required to be consistent with past rules.
> > > b) seeing as the TVRotR is the theme of the round, even if it is never written
> > > one might view it as the "fantasy domain" of the round, about which rules make
> > > statements which are required to be consistent.  Of course, this does not
> > > change the fact that if nine VALID rules are submitted, the next rule after
> > > that is required to match up to all the things which have been said about it.
> > > c) the theme naturally draws rules into assuming that the TVRotR exists.  It
> > > would be rather tricksy of me to condemn such a natural result of my own
> > > theme.
> >
> > Not to mention the fact that there are rules all the time that say
> > something like "The next rule will explain what Harry was doing", and
> > no one bats an eye.
> >
> > - Rich Holmes
>
> Yes, but at the other extreme one has to deal with rules which say things like:
>
> "The Judge will judge the next fantasy rule posted to be VALID"
>
> Aron Wall
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Rich Holmes wrote:

> Aron Wall <aron_at_wall.org> writes:
>
> > 1) The first sentence clearly implies that the TVRotR will exist.  Now, there
> > is an argument that this is contrary to the RO's.  For it might well be that
> > despite being the theme, the TVRotR is never written.  That would leave the
> > statement as being untrue, and the untruth of the statement would follow from
> > the RO's, as acting upon the specific circumstance.  I will not however take
> > this interpretation, because:
> > a) the RO's do allow the TVRotR to exist, and in this respect it is
> > consistent.  Even if it makes a false statement about the round, this concerns
> > future rules, while it is only required to be consistent with past rules.
> > b) seeing as the TVRotR is the theme of the round, even if it is never written
> > one might view it as the "fantasy domain" of the round, about which rules make
> > statements which are required to be consistent.  Of course, this does not
> > change the fact that if nine VALID rules are submitted, the next rule after
> > that is required to match up to all the things which have been said about it.
> > c) the theme naturally draws rules into assuming that the TVRotR exists.  It
> > would be rather tricksy of me to condemn such a natural result of my own
> > theme.
>
> Not to mention the fact that there are rules all the time that say
> something like "The next rule will explain what Harry was doing", and
> no one bats an eye.
>
> - Rich Holmes

Yes but at the other extreme one has to deal with rules which say things like:

"The Judge will judge the next fantasy rule posted to be VALID"

Aron Wall


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