From: Jeff Weston (Sir Toby) (jjweston_at_kenny.sir-toby.com)
Date: Fri Apr 04 2003 - 09:18:29 PST
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Ed Murphy wrote: > Nathan Russell <nrussell_at_acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote: > > > As Steve says, April Fools' Day is a time for jokes. It is also > > traditionally a time to dance while standing on one's hand, at least among > > certain Martian tribes. > > > > Accordinly, each rule, like this one, must describe a tradition, which need > > not be true. > > 206:1 describes a tradition, so no problem there. No other > problems. VALID. > > +1.0 restriction that really is, for variety > +0.5 restriction applies to itself > +0.5 restriction applies to past rules > +0.5 Martian silliness > -0.5 first sentence is redundant with 206:1 > ---- > +2.0 total Aren't we missing judgements for some rules that came before this one? Namely this one from Alan Riddell: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:59:48 +0100 From: Alan Riddell <peekee_at_blueyonder.co.uk> To: frc <frc_at_trolltech.com> Subject: Re: Round 206:1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gardner" <gardner_at_sng.its.monash.edu.au> To: "The Fantasy Rules Committee" <frc_at_trolltech.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:27 AM Subject: Round 206:1 > --- Begin rule submission --- > > April Fool's Day is traditionally a time for jokes and pranks. > Newspapers print fake headlines, etc. So, for this Round, each Rule > must, as this one does, make exactly one claim that is false. > > --- End rule submission --- --- Begin rule submission --- Lets examine the claims that Rule 206:1 makes. 1) April Fool's Day is traditionally a time for jokes. 2) April Fool's Day is traditionally a time for pranks 3) On April Fool's newspapers print fake headlines, etc. 4) For this Round, each Rule must make exactly one claim that is false. 5) Rule 206:1 makes a claim that is false. There is a question that 1) and 2) might both be in the same claim, similarly 4) and 5) might be in the same claim. It should be noted that if 4) is true then 5) is true (assuming the validity of the rule). Now "traditionally" is a strange word as traditions can be current or very long running. While there can be no doubt that in current Western society April Fool's is a time for Jokes, if we examine the history of the day we find things are not so simple. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aprilfools1.html But even in the past those who referred to 1st April as "April Fool's Day" made jokes and played pranks. It does not matter if 1) and 2) are different claims or not. It is not hard to find evidence that some newspapers have printed false headlines on April Fool's Day, so 3) is true. Now if 4) and 5) are one claim they must be false but this becomes circular and generally unpleasant and IMO would cause the Rule to be invalid. So 4) and 5) must be separate claims, if 4) is true and 5) is false there is a contradiction, therefore it must be the case that 5) is true and 4) is false. As such I reimpose the missing rescriction that 206:1 would impose. For this Round, each Rule must make exactly one claim that is false. --- End rule submission --- -- Rule Date: 2003-04-01 11:59:57 GMT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And how about this one from Andre Engels: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 01 Apr 2003 14:21:40 -0500 From: Andre Engels <engels_at_uni-koblenz.de> To: frc_at_trolltech.com Subject: 206:2 This rule makes four claims: 1. During this round, at least one rule will fool someone into thinking the round is over prematurely. 2. During this round, at least one rule will fool the judge into awarding style points incorrectly. 3. During this round, at least one person will fool at least one other person by pretending to be the Judge. Andre Engels -- Rule Date: 2003-04-01 19:21:54 GMT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jeff Weston (Sir Toby) -- Rule Date: 2003-04-04 17:18:44 GMT
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